Guest MBpigeonguy Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 i just learned, that last weekend, the a young hen from one of my white cocks, hes a pure white grizzle with 2 small black spots, anyway this hen was the first ever white bird to be on the top ouf our race sheet, she was 37 place, in the 440 mile race, there has never been a white bird that good in our club in forever!!! lol the best racer in our club had white pigeons a few years back, but he never gave them a chance to race, lol now i own the father of this hen, if the owner knew his offsprings was this good he might not have trown the cock out of his loft -to me. well u znooz u loose. he mine, for good!!! :P
Guest MBpigeonguy Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 your right, i case i didnt mention it, the guy who gave me the cock, owns the young hen that was 37 place, so the cock is mine but the hen is his,
Guest MBpigeonguy Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 maby the hen got its winner blood from its mom, whom i dont own, i dont know her, the only white hens i own are worth 10$ so im stuck, i dont know who to breed him with, i dont have any good white hens, but i have 3 stunning white cocks, BUt i have one white hen that was a gift, BUt she really resembles the 10$ birds, and i dont know if i sould breed the two or not, but shes all i got, But i have 2 young great grizzles, who are about 4 weeks old right now, if one might be a hen i couls try that in the spring, which would u perfere?
The White Rapido Man Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 Alot of racing men discregard whites as hawk bait and weak... My pure white rapidos have been raced by others and scored well well over the years...... I am going to race them next year........I also have 6 pairs of the best bred Loguns in the UK (bold statement I know....but true)...cant wait to supplement my YB race team with a few whites. good on you anyway!
Guest MBpigeonguy Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 some guys have told me that whites have weak feathers are they dont have the power other colores do!!! in the spring im expecting some white delbars which were imported from europ, iv also been told white delars are the best long distence whites ever breed, iv also been told black birds NEVER win, and before that the Same guy told me that he won his first race with a BLACK bird!! lol its older guys telling us that we sould not try out new birds and take some of tair own, and not wast our time with whites and grizzles, but in next years yb races will be my first races, and i will race my whites and grizzles team with pride!
DOVEScot Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 some guys have told me that whites have weak feathers are they dont have the power other colores do!!! in the spring im expecting some white delbars which were imported from europ, iv also been told white delars are the best long distence whites ever breed, iv also been told black birds NEVER win, and before that the Same guy told me that he won his first race with a BLACK bird!! lol its older guys telling us that we sould not try out new birds and take some of tair own, and not wast our time with whites and grizzles, but in next years yb races will be my first races, and i will race my whites and grizzles team with pride! See Tammy your black birds Never win ;D ;D ;D Nae wonder ye cannae sell them ;D ;D ;D
Guest MBpigeonguy Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 i just got a email. from the old owner of thw white cock, that the cocks nest mate, (a hen) was 7 in the 644 mile race this weekend, hes proud of the bird, and in big letters he told me TAKE CARE OF THAT COCK
Guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 There are still alot of racing fanciers [and judges around] who dismiss whites/grizzles and pieds both in the show pen and on the road.I think some fanciers just don't like them and use the excuse that they are hawk bait.When my birds were flying out I had alot taken by hawks but I still have the white one,makes no difference to the hawk what colour it is and it shouldnt make any differance to us either but at a number of shows my birds with any white on whatsoever can be kicked out by certain judges [i know who you are!!] which is why I always take a few more conservative colours too like blue chequers and blue bars.
Guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 I don't believe colour has any bearing on a pigeon's racing ability. Have heard the same about 'white' being hawkmeat, but have also heard that too about red & mealy. Maybe its because there are fewer birds of these colours in the average loft and 1 of them 'disappearing' is much more noticeable than say 3 or 4 blues? But I stop short of 'pure' breeds. Delbar and Logan are mentioned here. Since both gents died a long time ago, its hard to see how today's birds can claim to be pure bred.
Guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 a m8 of mine raced a white grizzle topping the welsh north road fed twice in 3 weeks.birdage over 4000 each time...this bird went onto breed numerous y/bs that turned into winners,her and her m8 went on to be sold for over £6000 ,y/bs from this pr competed well at national level and become well known in this area....paul
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 I don't believe colour has any bearing on a pigeon's racing ability. Have heard the same about 'white' being hawkmeat, but have also heard that too about red & mealy. Maybe its because there are fewer birds of these colours in the average loft and 1 of them 'disappearing' is much more noticeable than say 3 or 4 blues? But I stop short of 'pure' breeds. Delbar and Logan are mentioned here. Since both gents died a long time ago, its hard to see how today's birds can claim to be pure bred. NO AND NEITHER DO I, WON MY FIRST TWO RACES WITH TWO BLACK KRAUTHS
jimmy white Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 good pigeons come in all shapes sizes and colours , theres been a few good whites and grizzles done extremely well,, i myself dont beleive their" hawk bait" as when the hawk wants his dinner hell have his dinner , maybe one thing worth remembering is that white repels the heat [weve never had that prob in the uk ;D]
pigeonpete Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 NO AND NEITHER DO I, WON MY FIRST TWO RACES WITH TWO BLACK KRAUTHS did you take the avatar video today tam??? ;D nice bed
DOVEScot Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 did you take the avatar video today tam??? ;D nice bed Was there a bed, never seen one, wonder why ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Guest CS Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 Alot of racing men discregard whites as hawk bait and weak... My pure white rapidos have been raced by others and scored well well over the years...... I am going to race them next year........I also have 6 pairs of the best bred Loguns in the UK (bold statement I know....but true)...cant wait to supplement my YB race team with a few whites. good on you anyway! Best of luck next year, a friend of mine breeds Rapido Busschaerts for others, the hen has been flying well for me...
Guest MBpigeonguy Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 i have been flying 30 yb for a month now, all of them late birds, among tehm i have 4 reds 6 whites and the rest are bb and cheqs, now the owners that gave me the blue bars and cheqs, told me, that the birds they gave me ill fly circles around my whites, and now a month later i have lost 10 birds an None of them was red or white, but i dont know how i lost them, they just never showed up at the loft in the evening, so i dont know were they are, but i still have my whites and red unharmed. and the first home all the time, when ihave people come to the loft they look at my birds and see the whites and like them and see the reds and like them but then they see the rest and say (WHY do u have wild pigeons here?)
blackjack Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 I live in a area with Gos,Peregrine and sparrrow hawk i race grizzles,reds,mealy and dark chequers and the odd blue .I lose more chequers and blues to hawks than anything else ive logged my losses over 5 yrs also my best birds are grizzles and reds flying 650mls plus to the age of 6 to 7 flown on open hole. Grizzles have been flown successfully by many as with reds etc its old wives tails about hawk bait by people who generally know nothing.
Guest MBpigeonguy Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 this mornig on another forum i was talking about why i have never lost a white or a red or a grizzle,and loss grays, and one of the older guys on the forum said "becouse REAL racing pigeons will fly farther away from the loft then your whites will and most times too far and loss themselfs" now i was mad but i will not say anything my white are as real as the grays are, and when he said real he said REAL
DOVEScot Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 this mornig on another forum i was talking about why i have never lost a white or a red or a grizzle,and loss grays, and one of the older guys on the forum said "becouse REAL racing pigeons will fly farther away from the loft then your whites will and most times too far and loss themselfs" now i was mad but i will not say anything my white are as real as the grays are, and when he said real he said REAL He is maybe referring to pigeons that have fallen into the dove category that are not used for racing, ie dovecotes At the end of the day they are all doves(rock doves) sellectively bred and put into different classes and breeds depending on their abilities and looks Dove release is big business but the ones that are classed as doves are not released, it's white homers/racers, could be done for trade description
Guest MBpigeonguy Posted October 17, 2007 Report Posted October 17, 2007 well my white homers dont look like doves, and he does not know that i only payed 10$ for them, he does not have a buisness calling them no real homers
883girl Posted October 17, 2007 Report Posted October 17, 2007 Hi, i'm looking for white racing pigeons, possibly logans and not from pigeonlad! Can anyone put me in touch with someone who can sell me a breeding pair. I am in the midlands, near Lichfield, and am struggling to find any.
Back garden fancier Posted October 17, 2007 Report Posted October 17, 2007 Do you get the British Homing World? There are plenty in there. Louella have them, Warren Forster has a good family as do others.
DOVEScot Posted October 17, 2007 Report Posted October 17, 2007 well my white homers dont look like doves, and he does not know that i only payed 10$ for them, he does not have a buisness calling them no real homers If you are planning a release business then as long as you have birds well capable of returning home then you are ok If you want the best type of bird then you are looking for busshaerts, logans etc but they don't have to be top racers as time is not important as getting home safely. This is what is classed as a garden dove which we have in our dovecotes, the second picture is a barbary dove, totally different, no good at homing
DOVEScot Posted October 17, 2007 Report Posted October 17, 2007 If you are planning a release business then as long as you have birds well capable of returning home then you are ok If you want the best type of bird then you are looking for busshaerts, logans etc but they don't have to be top racers as time is not important as getting home safely. This is what is classed as a garden dove which we have in our dovecotes, the second picture is a barbary dove, totally different, no good at homing
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