herbal v pharmaceutical

[ch pied]

what's your view

[jimmy white]

i would say herbal is less dangerous,,,, but pharmaceutals can have   benefits and downfalls  , but all medicines will have their kick back or side effects ,, i suppose its weighing the odds of long term good effect or long term bad effects,,in  saying that all doses of  medicines for pigeons should be exact and really prescribed by a good avian vet

 

would be good to hear members veiws on this one

[Guest]

I think that both have an important role to play in pigeons, but these roles are very different and generally not interchangeable.

 

Herbal is associated with 'natural' and plants or specifics prepared from plants usually contain levels which are low enough for the body to tolerate and make good use of, and can therefore be used regularly - as part of a healthy diet for example. Healthy diet + exercise + good hygiene = freedom from illness.

 

Pharmaceutical is associated with molecules created in a lab sometimes from natural substances but which in the main are some 100 times stronger and therefore create biological hazards. An example is the natural insecticide pyrethrin from flowers. Originally manufactured by the plant to protect itself from insects - eat me and die, but totally harmless to other species - until it was turned into pyrethroids in a lab. Now 100 times more potent, and in addition to insects, kills all acquatic life and toxic to cats? It's Permethrin in pigeons, and said to be safe, with the cat & acquatic life warning .

 

So 'pharmaceutical' to me = medicine. Use as directed by a vet. And only when the bird is sick. Will also have side effects so the course also needs something special as a follow-on to counteract that. Sickness = rest during & after treatment = 2-3 weeks out of racing? Could knock your season for 6.

 

 

 

[pigeonscout]

Unlike approved drugs, herbs are almost entirely unregulated for safety, uniformity of contents, and contamination.

[Guest]

Unlike approved drugs, herbs are almost entirely unregulated for safety, uniformity of contents, and contamination.

 

 

I think the main difference 'was' that folk who dispense herbal preparations are not allowed to claim that they will 'cure' anything. Yet 'Herbal Medicine' is one of the alternative therapies which the UK National Health Service has provided for a number of years.  

 

Given NHS's legal responsibilities for the services it provides I suspect that the herbal therapy industry may have changed away from what you have described?

 

 

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Policyandguidance/Healthandsocialcaretopics/Complementaryandalternativemedicine/index.htm

[Lennut Tar]

"Herbal", every time for me, smart people those chinese etc, they have been around a wee bit longer  ;D  ;D ;D than anyone here I suspect   ;) . Some of their potions/medicines etc may appear a bit strange !!!!!  to many of us one could say. But they certainly can be put to good use, in all walks of life, including our pigeons.

"True Story"   :D   Less than 10 minutes drive or a good punt kick  :X (a bit to far for those that prefer that round ball)  from where I type this now, is a world renowned pigeon vet. Many would have heard of him or read his books etc & I have seen where he now ships all his 'GOODIES"  ;D ;D ;D as I like to call them, by the container load off overseas. To all those misguided frustrated & desperate pigeon flyers etc to buy. On the off chance, it may help them win a race or two. :(   If they only knew what I know.

PS, I have never spent one dollar on any of his goodies   ;)   etc, & I never will,  & if by chance he was to read the above & figure it out. I would never get one step/foot inside his clinic.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Enjoy

[Guest]

I think the use of herbal medicines might also be a bit of  a culture thing, as Lennut Tar points out, the Chinese are world famous in its use and even here in Falkirk, Scotland we have a Chinese Traditional Medicines pharmacy.

 

Traditional medicine is also supported by World Health Organisation, some extracts from their website:-

 

WHO traditional medicine strategy

 

The main objectives of the WHO Traditional medicine activities are:

 

a) To facilitate integration of traditional medicine into the national health care system by assisting Member States to develop their own national policies on traditional medicine.

 

To promote the proper use of traditional medicine by developing and providing international standards, technical guidelines and methodologies.

 

c) To act as a clearing-house to facilitate information exchange in the field of traditional medicine.

 

 

We understand that the situation in the use of traditional medicine is quite different from country to country and region to region. For example, in AFRO and in WPRO, the Member States consider that traditional medicine is a priority for health care in their regions, but in other regions the role of traditional medicine is treated as complementary or alternative medicine.

 

http://www.who.int/medicines/publications/traditionalpolicy/en/index.html

 

 

[Fair Play]

A number of years ago (20+) I used Bobo's herbal remedies for the pigeons never done the birds any harm and still have the cards to prove it.

[ch pied]

that's the kind of answer's iam looking for. well thought out ,& constructive

keep em comming

[ch pied]

I think that both have an important role to play in pigeons, but these roles are very different and generally not interchangeable.

 

Herbal is associated with 'natural' and plants or specifics prepared from plants usually contain levels which are low enough for the body to tolerate and make good use of, and can therefore be used regularly - as part of a healthy diet for example. Healthy diet + exercise + good hygiene = freedom from illness.

 

Pharmaceutical is associated with molecules created in a lab sometimes from natural substances but which in the main are some 100 times stronger and therefore create biological hazards. An example is the natural insecticide pyrethrin from flowers. Originally manufactured by the plant to protect itself from insects - eat me and die, but totally harmless to other species - until it was turned into pyrethroids in a lab. Now 100 times more potent, and in addition to insects, kills all acquatic life and toxic to cats? It's Permethrin in pigeons, and said to be safe, with the cat & acquatic life warning .

 

So 'pharmaceutical' to me = medicine. Use as directed by a vet. And only when the bird is sick. Will also have side effects so the course also needs something special as a follow-on to counteract that. Sickness = rest during & after treatment = 2-3 weeks out of racing? Could knock your season for 6.

 

 

more info, good post