"Winning secret revealed"

[Back garden fancier]

Did anyone see this hidden away in the BBC Science pages? Edingburgh university has carried out research into 4000 winning race horses between since 1922. They compared stud fees and genes. The conclusion was that paying vast sums doe not guarantee success. Quote: " By far the biggest factor was the horses environment- the way they were trained and choice of races entered."

They also found that only 10% of winning is down to genes, the rest is down to the trainer!

Now I assume that  this can be applied directly to pigeon racing? That means if you don't win, blame yourself. And don't fork out fortunes for pigeons!!

[Guest]

I've worked with horses for over 20 years and the theory is definately true!!,Douglas McClary in his book says the same thing about pigeons too,that's one of the reasons I get so cross when people blame their birds for their poor results and kill them,they need to look at themselves not the birds!!,that's another reason I keep saying that the motivation of the fancier is far more important than the motivation of the birds!,I've seen top class show jumping horses reduced to being worth £300 meat value and like wise I've seen horses worth nothing but meat value turned into show jumpers,it's all about management and your birds are a reflection of your own management skills!!,you can give an idiot a bird with the best pedigree in the world and it won't win a thing!!

[Ed Bourque]

Yes I agree 100%

[jimmy white]

I WOULD SAY,, THE MANAGEMENT IS THE ALL IMPORTANT FACTOR IN WINNING .

IF IT WERE" BREEDS" YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME BREEDS AT THE TOP OF ALL FUTIRITY RACES ETC ,,,,,,,,BUT IN PIGEON RACING ,,YOU SEE THE SAME NAMES AT THE TOP ,,AND NOT ALLWAYS THE SAME BREEDING ,,,, YOU MAY NEED THE TOOLS,,, BUT IT TAKES A CRAFTSMAN TO USE THEM

[pigeonscout]

You still need good birds, Good birds and good management is needed as one is lost without the other. There has been to many fanciers who only started winning when they got in different birds to say it is all down to management.

[Guest Paulo]

a good pigeon man can get the best out of an average pigeon

[barlbymark]

i put my hens in a short minny scirt and a tight low cut top and send the cocks of to the race drives then mad lol

[Guest WINGS 04]

I WAS IN A CLUB AS A NEW START AND WAS TOLD THAT ONLY 3 MEMBERS WHERE HARD TO BEAT BUT WHAT I FOUND OUT IS THAT ONLY 3 MEMBER WHERE PUTING IN 100% IN TO THERE BIRDS BUT OF THE OTHERS THEY WHERE ONLY KIDDING THEMSELFS ON THEY WHERE ONLY IN TO BACK STABING THE GOOD FLYERS  

[Ronnie]

Management does play a part but its not the be all and end all .If that was the case why does one bird or horse win yet his loftmate or stable mate is way down the table if they have both had the same conditioning and training surely they should be neck a neck or at least first and second.

Yes Training is the biggest factor in any sport but the individual athlete be it horse bird dog or man has to have the right makeup to do the training justice.

[pigeonscout]

a good pigeon man can get the best out of an average pigeon

 

Yes but it is still an average pigeon. It may beat a good pigeon in the wrong hands but it will not beat a good pigeon in the right hands.

The first thing you need is good birds you will not win without them and you will never know if you have good birds if you dont know how to manage them right.

Search online for all the top winning birds you will find they all come from winning lines. I have yet to see a top bird come from a long line of also rans.

 

 

 

 

[carlsberg]

the only winning secret is 100% dedication you can buy all the best birds available but if you dont put the effort in you will always be a runner up

[DOVEScot]

i put my hens in a short minny scirt and a tight low cut top and send the cocks of to the race drives then mad lol

 

Works for me and Chickadee every time  

[pigeonscout]

There is an old saying "You will not make a silk purse out of a sows ear"

[DECKY]

A good fancier  can win well with average pigeons up to 350+ miles, but when you get to the 500 + mile races, the breeding and quality of the pigeon is paramount.

[DOVEScot]

Management does play a part but its not the be all and end all .If that was the case why does one bird or horse win yet his loftmate or stable mate is way down the table if they have both had the same conditioning and training surely they should be neck a neck or at least first and second.

Yes Training is the biggest factor in any sport but the individual athlete be it horse bird dog or man has to have the right makeup to do the training justice.

 

You can get any mix you like on that theory to produce a winner

Winners can come from any and all the combinations, breeding, training, natural ability, inbred ability , upbringing or just pure luck :-/

 

Otherwise it would be no contest for the best trainer and the best bird who would win all the time, we all know that life is just not that perfect, thank god :-/

 

[Guest Paulo]

 

Yes but it is still an average pigeon. It may beat a good pigeon in the wrong hands but it will not beat a good pigeon in the right hands.

The first thing you need is good birds you will not win without them and you will never know if you have good birds if you dont know how to manage them right.

Search online for all the top winning birds you will find they all come from winning lines. I have yet to see a top bird come from a long line of also rans.

 

 

 

 

80% of everyone's birds will be homers no matter how good they are, good pigeons breed crap as well the other 20% will be the champs.

 

You can make a lofts rep during the season on two or three pigeons carrying the others.

 

[Wiley]

 

80% of everyone's birds will be homers no matter how good they are, good pigeons breed crap as well the other 20% will be the champs.

 

You can make a lofts rep during the season on two or three pigeons carrying the others.

 

personally think your pecentage is to high for the champs just my opinion paulo no offence meant, but personally i think only 5% are actually champs. Its alot harder to find those real champs, not bird that have just won one race, for me these aint champs, i look for repeaters these are the real champs, and not birds that have won one race and never performed again, seen it many times and have had those birds many times. However i think your hundred percent right ONE pigeon can make your name in the game, and these are the repeaters and those are the birds you are after!  But remember the repeaters are the real champs, and not birds who have had one red card and never got a card again in its life, so hope you can understand why my opinion is so low on the real champs. All best pal hope to see you at blackpool

[Guest Paulo]

 

personally think your pecentage is to high for the champs just my opinion paulo no offence meant, but personally i think only 5% are actually champs. Its alot harder to find those real champs, not bird that have just won one race, for me these aint champs, i look for repeaters these are the real champs, and not birds that have won one race and never performed again, seen it many times and have had those birds many times. However i think your hundred percent right ONE pigeon can make your name in the game, and these are the repeaters and those are the birds you are after!  But remember the repeaters are the real champs, and not birds who have had one red card and never got a card again in its life, so hope you can understand why my opinion is so low on the real champs. All best pal hope to see you at blackpool

 

Thats what I mean birds who can do the bis again and again are rare

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

well you also have to look at team performance we flew in the top 10 for 4 straight weeks against 2000 + birds and had a diffrent bird each week as our 1st one home repeaters are great but there is something to be said for overall quality

[Guest casbri]

to get winners you must get birds which genes click together when paired

[Guest TAMMY_1]

the only winning secret is 100% dedication you can buy all the best birds available but if you dont put the effort in you will always be a runner up

 

yes and I agree with you 100%, you only get out what you put in , put in nothing and you will get nothing back, put in a lot of hard work and you will get the benefits back.

[homebird]

a good race horse will win inspite of you .a top trainer is a trainer that  atracks more owners and horses sometimes than a good horseman.he will have.a bigger waistage rate  amongst the numbers of horses in training..high prices in horses can be caused by fashion ..agents ..stud farm hype.. good peromance history of offspring due to a high volume of foals..perhaps the best guide to sucess is the mare that breeds winners to a number of stallions and a lot of good fortune .many an underbidder at an auction will tell you about the one that went on to win a big race.in our case the derby at epsom but we might have got it and gone gone jumping 3 years past its sell by date after having it gelded :-/.so big cash for pigeons like horses is down to market forces.cheque book racing.against stockmanship..both will require goodfortune :)I hope you all get some ,only after ive had mine first