help new starters

[Guest spin cycle]

another quick point should there be two leagues in a club division 1 and top 3 go up and bottom 3 go down it would fanicers something to race for even if there not winning and help new starters

 

good idea perhaps for big clubs...perhaps. i don't think it work in small ones. also the 'stigma' of getting relegated might mean some would pack up. occasional flyers  (who often do a lot of work) would also not like it. i once thought it a good idea...but changed my view after thinking it through. i would love to fly in a big club with leagues

[Guest chrisss]

as a new starter [to racing]there is no way i would want a card that i think is not mine,if the guy is winning good luck to him, i have 3 choices,get better[work harder],get better birds or keep show hampsters,the idea that some one "lets" me win, or gets a place that should have gone to some one else is to me plain wrong,if your heart is in it, you come back fighting,regardless of your ablity,at that moment,sorry to upset anyone ,but to me pigeon racing is hard work,and time in [no pun ;D ;D]

[Guest spin cycle]

as a new starter [to racing]there is no way i would want a card that i think is not mine,if the guy is winning good luck to him, i have 3 choices,get better[work harder],get better birds or keep show hampsters,the idea that some one "lets" me win, or gets a place that should have gone to some one else is to me plain wrong,if your heart is in it, you come back fighting,regardless of your ablity,at that moment,sorry to upset anyone ,but to me pigeon racing is hard work,and time in [no pun ;D ;D]

 

good for you chriss..thats the kind of attitude thats made you one of the most respected guys on this site . the question is though whether we need the 3 newbies that packed up (original post). if 'giving a lower' card to them helped just 1 to survive long enough for them in order that they were more experienced and lofts strong enough to compete properly...isn't that worth it?

[Guest chrisss]

to me, it depends on the amount of time i had my birds for, some times you will get guys start out racing,do nothing in the first season,then jack it in,like most things today it must be now,if it takes time then a lot of folks do not want to know,yes there are guys who turn up in their first season racing and kill everything[i hope to be one of them]but i would think that it takes most mere mortals a bit longer,sorry to make this sound about me,me,me,but i am working to a 3 year plan with my birds,if i am [was?]without a card by then ,thats when i do my rethink,with the advice i get from here,and more important a bloody good laugh,time will tell

[Guest chrisss]

in saying all of that, if it helps keep someone in the sport until they get on their feet,then i think anything is worth a try, on a personal level i would hate the idea of getting a card that to me is not mine,but i am a bit different i have had birds since 2001,just never got around to racing,[until next year]

[Guest peter.j]

in saying all of that, if it helps keep someone in the sport until they get on their feet,then i think anything is worth a try, on a personal level i would hate the idea of getting a card that to me is not mine,but i am a bit different i have had birds since 2001,just never got around to racing,[until next year]

yes but what happens when they have to do it on there own and they go back to a big fat 0 cards "what am i doing wrong" or im going to kill all these perfectly good pigeons cos it has to be them" as a newbie myself and as i stated at the start of the thread advise me point me in the right direction ,but dont patronise me and let me win,winners dont quit and quitters dont win ,if the people coming in havent got the heart to stay in the sport cos they dont get a place then i for one say let them go ,liverpool are playing football next week but if they start getting beat there taking there ball back and not playing :-/.quit because your health commands you and quit or cut down as you cant afford to feed them but because you dont get placed childish behaviour and probably one of the reason the sport is in decline its attracting quitters who give up at the first hurdle just my honest opinion...peter

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

yes but what happens when they have to do it on there own and they go back to a big fat 0 cards "what am i doing wrong" or im going to kill all these perfectly good pigeons cos it has to be them" as a newbie myself and as i stated at the start of the thread advise me point me in the right direction ,but dont patronise me and let me win,winners dont quit and quitters dont win ,if the people coming in havent got the heart to stay in the sport cos they dont get a place then i for one say let them go ,liverpool are playing football next week but if they start getting beat there taking there ball back and not playing :-/.quit because your health commands you and quit or cut down as you cant afford to feed them but because you dont get placed childish behaviour and probably one of the reason the sport is in decline its attracting quitters who give up at the first hurdle just my honest opinion...peter

 

thats my point, do you want a gift or do you want to earn it?,perhaps other "newbies" could comment on how they would feel with the nagging doubt that their first card was a gift,because the guys felt sorry for them,that apart from the fact that most club guys of long standing would not do it, based on the fact that they did it the hard way

 

 

[Guest peter.j]

yes i totally agree mate when/if it happens and i get a card i want to be able to sit and say well something ive done regards management is right and the birds themselves have played a massive part throwing a race so somebody gets a card is an empty gesture ,you may as well when you first join the club be given a card as part of your membership youve not earned it ,anyway are chris and myself the only newbies with a thought on this or are you all keeping shush cos you want a free card lol....pete

[Tony C]

If in a competitive club and each member only timed in one pigeon each a novice would do well to get in the first ten let alone take a card so lets forget about allowing them to take a card. Cards are relative to the competition you fly against, there's clubs and there's clubs. In a weak club you could be 5 minutes behind and still sneak a card, not so in a strong club. So how do we identify who needs help? Someone that’s 15-20 minutes behind most weeks are doing something drastically wrong, these are the ones that I refer to as needing help and encouragement, not by allowing them to take a card but to help them cut down on the time deficit.

[Guest spin cycle]

thing is that the great thing about pigeon racing is also perhaps its great weakness. from an early stage you can compete with the very best...there was someone on the site  a while back who broke his novice from 500 miles (amazing). the downside is that newbies also have to compete with exp. fanciers with settled teams...that is why i would advise newbies to concentrate on building/educating their team rather than chasing results (but its their choice). as a former novice i'm not ashamed to say i took heart from a few given cards . i cannot post this on the other thread as i'm not a novice and i'm sorry but i think it naive to expect newbies to go onto that thread and admit they'd like a card to be given. i'm only intereted in my 1st bird home and only clock the 2nd as back up...allthough this attitude is to do (i admit) with my lousy loft position...i like a 10 minute gap between my first and subsequent birds..that way i know i've a good'un. the point being i'm out to win or at least split the winners birds...the rest is of no interest. if,as a newbie, you don't want to given a card then thats great and you'll probably be a better flyer longterm..but i'm interested in as many newbies starting and surviving as possible.

[paul10121968]

from a newbies point of view,i can tell you that its really reassuring to know that there is someone you can turn to for advice.but at the end of the day you still have to make your own mind up.its allways good having said that to have other more experienced fanciers to point you in a direction that you wouldnt have thought of.im on the verge of completing my loft and i hope to start building my team within the next month,so i will definately be posing some questions on here for you all to ponder over.