Cant control my birds

[jimmy_84]

Hi guys quick question i have only 4 birds now had 12 but wasn't finding it easy to train them into a pattern so was told by local fancier to cut my birds down which i have done and i cut there feed and still no result with them although i must say they fly home if i take them out 15miles away they fly home and in good time to but trying to get them to exercise at home is a problem they just sit on the roof and if i try flag them off they sit across the street on there roof i kept the best of the bunch but still no joy any ideas or should i try starting over again

[Wiley]

birds should really want to fly and once they lose that gets the mind boggling, first questions would be what and how much are you feeding?

[DJ]

hi jim   i had the same problem with my birds not wanting to fly and it turned out to be a bacterial infection    pigeon health tel no 01206 842221 will test the droppings for £12.50 and ring the results through to you  they can also sell you any treatments you might need   hope this helps you         debbie

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

maby they are too young? pigeon love too fly, unless they are fat! :X

[jimmy_84]

thanx guys yes age was a concern but the distance they fly when i basket them and release them they do fine it is just when i let them out for exercise. i have 1 cock bird 12months old and 3 ybs approx 8 weeks old the feed is 1oz per bird of a general pigeon corn i had tumblers before and they did fine but they went and the racers are hard to get them flying the only problem is the they sit on the roof i will keep them in for a few days and observe them see what happens and get regularaty and routine to them maybe the problem was loosing the other 8 birds made them worried anymore advice much appreciated

[peterpau]

birds love to fly   canker and worms would be my first thought

[jimmy_84]

birds love to fly   canker and worms would be my first thought

 

what do i need to do and where can i get the treatment from

[mark proctor]

jimmy it will be very very difficult for 4 pigeons to fly around and around ..realey you need a bigish batch for them to do that ..so they keep each other up mate...if i just let 4 birds out i bet they wouldnt fly for long..but if i let my batch of 41 y birds out i would get a hour plus out of them...these lads on this sight will put you right mate ..there a great bunch.... ;) ;) ;) ;) ps get there feed right and they should fly alot longer than they are now....all the best mark....

[Guest shadow]

watch them and see if its the same bird that drops first, if it is keep it in and let the others out and see if there is any improvement never stand near the loft when they are out try and find somewhere you can see them but they cannot see you that way they will not think they are going to be fed. I used to lock mine out and although they might land after 20 mins. they would then strike of and continue flying keep them out longer each day until you get at least 45 mins out of them light feed on a morning and the main feed at night after exercise  you must get them into a routine

[Guest IB]

Been there, 1st year with mostly YBs is the worst. Next year you will have a couple of OBs to help show next year's YBs the score.

 

I let my YBs roof-hop for the 1st couple of weeks, after that I lob a brightly coloured ball on the roof. My 1st year they reached 4 houses down, but I spoke to my neighbour and told him what I was doing and why, and asked permission to go down and ball his roof whenever the birds went down there; in just a couple of days the birds took off when they saw me walking down the road [they see the ball being carried and ken what that means] and none of my birds hit any roof after that first few weeks.

 

I think 1 oz per bird per day is a bit on the light side. Should be at least double that? They are still growing,  and they start moulting almost as soon as they are shifted. Mine are 1 oz mornings, and 1 1/2 oz evenings. Maybe your birds are thinking of their 'empty stomachs' when out. Hungry birds are the same as overfed birds - they don't want to fly.

 

8 weeks old is also a bit soon to expect them to turn into flying machines or rake the skies for an hour or so. They are still learning to master this flying lark and its really all a new game to them, but a right pain to you and me trying to get them to do what we want. Just keep at it.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jimmy_84]

I think 1 oz per bird per day is a bit on the light side. Should be at least double that? They are still growing,  and they start moulting almost as soon as they are shifted. Mine are 1 oz mornings, and 1 1/2 oz evenings. Maybe your birds are thinking of their 'empty stomachs' when out. Hungry birds are the same as overfed birds - they don't want to fly.  

 

think that was problem i was given bad advice as was told 1 feed in the evening of 1oz per bird i fed them 1oz per bird at 5am let them out at 7am and they have flown round for 30mins so far they still not landed so maybe it was that they were hungry thanx all for advice will let you know if the problem is fully resolved i have closed the loft to leave them out longer

 

[jimmy_84]

that morning feed seems to have made plenty of difference they have flown plenty they come rest on roof then of flying again maybe i am sorted now thanx again guys

[jimmy_84]

Hi every1 just a quikie to say must off been down to feed as they are now flying well and coming in when called

[jimmy white]

jimmy it will be very very difficult for 4 pigeons to fly around and around ..realey you need a bigish batch for them to do that ..so they keep each other up mate...if i just let 4 birds out i bet they wouldnt fly for long..but if i let my batch of 41 y birds out i would get a hour plus out of them...these lads on this sight will put you right mate ..there a great bunch.... ;) ;) ;) ;) ps get there feed right and they should fly alot longer than they are now....all the best mark....

 

i would tend to agree with marks post ,,,,,,,,but sometimes ways to overcome this, if theres any fanciers like mark with a batch of yb,s see what times he lets his out , then hopefully they would join in and fly  more , if one breaks off and lands b4 the rest, as shadow pointed out , keep that one in till the others have had a decent fly , then put him out ,,,,its allways worth a try

[jimmy_84]

 

i would tend to agree with marks post ,,,,,,,,but sometimes ways to overcome this, if theres any fanciers like mark with a batch of yb,s see what times he lets his out , then hopefully they would join in and fly  more , if one breaks off and lands b4 the rest, as shadow pointed out , keep that one in till the others have had a decent fly , then put him out ,,,,its allways worth a try

 

i have sorted it out now and we have 2 more also a local fancier gonna breed me some late birds he doesn't race anymore so said he would do this for me does any1 know any fanciers in manchester who may have an old loft cheap i can buy so i can get some more birds as my 2 son's are starting to become very keen and interested in the birds and as we aren't in a club if i give him the small loft and we can compete with each other just for fun :) :)

[darkness]

mate...you should test them they dont sound in good condition....i treat my birds for canker every three weeks during racing season. i only started doing this this season and they look brilliant and my results have improved. but definetley get the droppings sent off..it could be summat else....good luck.

[phelo84]

mate...you should test them they dont sound in good condition....i treat my birds for canker every three weeks during racing season. i only started doing this this season and they look brilliant and my results have improved. but definetley get the droppings sent off..it could be summat else....good luck.

 

 

what do i use to treat that and where do i get it from

 

[jimmy_84]

mate...you should test them they dont sound in good condition....i treat my birds for canker every three weeks during racing season. i only started doing this this season and they look brilliant and my results have improved. but definetley get the droppings sent off..it could be summat else....good luck.

 

hi i have treated them for that a local fancier gave me some treatment and also for worm and other things but like i say they seem happy now they fly out for upto an hour then straight back in no more roofing so i am sure the problem is over