phillips Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Just looking for a bit of information on the darkness system ill be putting my ybs on darkness 29th march but have noticed some of my older ybs already started to moult around the head will this effect the ybs when they go on the dark on the 29th march ie will they drop any flight before they go on the system cheers jason
fancypigeon_88 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 always put my young birds on the dark 1st sunday in march, this year when i part them they will go straight onto the dark. an i find i always have a few that will drop flights but the biggest majority dont. altho i hate the dark system, when you puy um on it thats when the problems start, but if you dont do it you cant realy compete the whole of the young bird season.
phillips Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 always put my young birds on the dark 1st sunday in march, this year when i part them they will go straight onto the dark. an i find i always have a few that will drop flights but the biggest majority dont. altho i hate the dark system, when you puy um on it thats when the problems start, but if you dont do it you cant realy compete the whole of the young bird season. how long do you darken your yb team for and will you be using 5pm to 9am hrs of dark like me jason
fancypigeon_88 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 till the 1st sunday in june, i do normaly use the 9-5 system but alot of people round here by me do 10-6. the system is 16hrs of dark but u can change the open an darking time to suit your self an the time you can be there with them
phillips Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 i like to start my system 29th march this way you can be sure that all ybs are eating well perching and drinking its just that my early bred ybs have been moved 5 wks now and their heads are getting new pin feathers pushing through and dont want them to throw any flights before they go on the system will i be ok leaving them till the end of this month or should i bring the system in closer ? thankyou jason
fancypigeon_88 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 id bring the system closer to be on the safe side, my mate put his on sunday gone
phillips Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 cheers mate thanx for the advice and help all the best to yourself in 2009 hope you have a great season jason
kirky Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 i would put them on now as thay will throw flights if you dont, i put mine on as soon as thay are weaned, thay can still see to get to drinkers and perches as it does not have to be pitch black, thay need 8hrs of daylight, 8-4 or 9-5 i take mine off 6 weeks before first yb race, this way thay will hold flights till the last few races, i have been on the system since 1986 winning yb ave most years or ru,
jimmy white Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Just looking for a bit of information on the darkness system ill be putting my ybs on darkness 29th march but have noticed some of my older ybs already started to moult around the head will this effect the ybs when they go on the dark on the 29th march ie will they drop any flight before they go on the system cheers jason it depends when their weaned jason,,, if using the darkning system, i would put them straight on darkness at the weaning stage,, i would darken them from 5 pm untill 9 am, [religiously ] during the few daylight hours they get, would give plenty baths , plenty protein [for this body moult] a little conditioner ,, i would put them on normal day light hours on the longest day, then lighten the diet and make them fly , after a week or two theyll soon fly for hours on their own best of luck jason
phillips Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 it depends when their weaned jason,,, if using the darkning system, i would put them straight on darkness at the weaning stage,, i would darken them from 5 pm untill 9 am, [religiously ] during the few daylight hours they get, would give plenty baths , plenty protein [for this body moult] a little conditioner ,, i would put them on normal day light hours on the longest day, then lighten the diet and make them fly , after a week or two theyll soon fly for hours on their own best of luck jason cheers jimmy
pjc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 i would put them on now as thay will throw flights if you dont, i put mine on as soon as thay are weaned, thay can still see to get to drinkers and perches as it does not have to be pitch black, thay need 8hrs of daylight, 8-4 or 9-5 i take mine off 6 weeks before first yb race, this way thay will hold flights till the last few races, i have been on the system since 1986 winning yb ave most years or ru, This is the basic mistake so many people make, darkness doesn't mean black it means dusk conditions so the birds are in a state of rest!
joe61 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 jason, with best intentions mate, your not sure if racing and training with youngsters in nest is harmful to the pigeons , then you ask about darkness, what people on here should advise is your trying to do to much but with little information and knowledge of pigeons themselves.... walk before you run, or it will all go wrong for you mate, oh happy days
phillips Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 jason, with best intentions mate, your not sure if racing and training with youngsters in nest is harmful to the pigeons , then you ask about darkness, what people on here should advise is your trying to do to much but with little information and knowledge of pigeons themselves.... walk before you run, or it will all go wrong for you mate, oh happy days hya mate ive done darkness before time and time again all i was doing was asking information about how or if it would effect ybs dropping flights putting them on darkness at the end of march as for ybs in the nest this yr im trying something different with my cocks ie motivating them to ybs in the nest when the cocks are out on exercise the hens will be let into their sections to feed ybs (which will take strain of the cocks ) when cocks go up the road on training chuck hens will feed ybs (which will take the strain of cocks ) plz feel free to correct me if you think this will harm my cocks in any way or if you feel im doing anything wrong with my pigeons
joe61 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 hya mate ive done darkness before time and time again all i was doing was asking information about how or if it would effect ybs dropping flights putting them on darkness at the end of march as for ybs in the nest this yr im trying something different with my cocks ie motivating them to ybs in the nest when the cocks are out on exercise the hens will be let into their sections to feed ybs (which will take strain of the cocks ) when cocks go up the road on training chuck hens will feed ybs (which will take the strain of cocks ) Hi mate, i didnt know you had done darkness before, i dont and never have done it, and wont, but thats me, as for racing cocks to youngsters Why? i can appreciate forward thinking but you may get 1 to respond, but i think this will be a bad move mate, my son races a method with hens that may suit you better, and you can and should adapt method weekly to ensure pigeons are motivated correctly, ask yourself this 1 question, why does everyone let the cocks see the hens on friday basketing night ??? give me the answer.... please plz feel free to correct me if you think this will harm my cocks in any way or if you feel im doing anything wrong with my pigeons
joe61 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 can people tell me if anyone uses the method, BY ASSOCIATION which is how it should be done. oh happy days
jimmy white Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 can people tell me if anyone uses the method, BY ASSOCIATION which is how it should be done. oh happy days with due respect yes ;D ;D ;D by associating with proper pigeon fanciers , that win year in and year out, by listening , looking and digesting,, that to me, is the best way on any system
phillips Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 well good question mate my way of thinking is the cock doesnt need the hen every wk they soon get bored with this idea you need to try and fool the cock by trying different things my cocks race well enough for the first 2 / 3 races just by shownig the bowl you may also add straw or tobbacco stalks on the 3rd wk this also motivates the cock why show the hen every wk when you can use her to you own advange through out the season when shes really needed ive got a cock here that wont perform to a hen or a bowl he will only come to win when theres another cock in his box i think fanciers that are at the top the sport are at the top for one reason and its not motivation its being a true pigeon fancier / fanciers and nowing there pigeons pigeons tell you when they are ready all we try and do is make it easy for ourselves each wk by having a system as for medicating pigeons healthy pigeos win races id pretty much say this is why fanciers treat their pigeons jason
joe61 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 with due respect yes ;D ;D ;D by associating with proper pigeon fanciers , that win year in and year out, by listening , looking and digesting,, that to me, is the best way on any system jimmy you missed the point, read my text again. race pigeons by association to .....
joe61 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Jason, some truth in what you say mate, and i hope i not coming across to bullish its not meant, but top fanciers are at the top because they can motivate pigeons and not let them just come nto form, thats someones way who does not know, can you tell me why do you show the hen to the cock on friday and not any other day !???
jimmy white Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 jimmy you missed the point, read my text again. race pigeons by association to ..... i know joe , i didnt mean to sound arrogant , but as i saw your post,, i thought there could be a few meanings to this ,, all valid reasons
joe61 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 ok jim no hard feelings, I think some or most fanciers do not understand pigeons well enough, i will help anyone dont get me wrong, but people race pigeons on widowhood, roundabout, natural, all basic methods... thought it was meant to be ahead of the competition... by using these methods your just joining them in the same way... there are other methods oh happy days why do people motivate on fridays
phillips Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 hya joe like i mentioned mate i dont use my hens for the first couple or three races just the bowl ive found that my cocks perform better not seeing the hen before racing, all i drum into the birds is that there hen is in the loft on return from a race the only time i will show my cocks their hens is if their on fire bouncing around the loft as i feel this will calm the cocks down as many races are lost in the basket i feel the secret to winning a race is to send the cocks calm and not hanging of each other in the race crates as the energy needed for the race is all used up fighting with other cocks so this is the only time ill start to introduce hens to my cocks if they are bouncing i suppose its as to speek to settle them
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