transfering by e-mail

[PATTY BHOY]

Is it possable to have birds transfered by email or has anybody ever transfered using the net .

 

 

[PATTY BHOY]

spellcheck,possible.

[pjc]

don't think unions have facility to take payment and would want signature on forms

[Guest 67ghirl]

We've had confirmation of transfer by email but still had to send off transfer and payment.

[sapper756]

We've had confirmation of transfer by email but still had to send off transfer and payment.

 

Yes this has been the case for me also, think you still have to send a transfer and payment :-/

[Gail J]

don't think unions have facility to take payment and would want signature on forms

 

Correct

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Correct

 

i think unions should add this cost in to the union fee then less work and can then be done electronicaly saving lots of paper work and the enviroment to boot , they should be looking at reducing paperwork and helping the enviroment  

[Gail J]

yes mark but how would we know how many transfers are being done, someone has to pay my wages ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

yes mark but how would we know how many transfers are being done, someone has to pay my wages ;D ;D ;D

 

Gail administration still required but the issue isn't that simple in terms of cost and process. It would mean probably buying a server, then back up facilities every day, a UPS (though you may already have one Gail?) and of course an electronic filing recording and retreval procedure, time stamping, a form of work flow for when fanciers fail to provide all the info. Gail would need to be able to store on the system in pend, have a word processing package wgere she could automatically construct the enquiry letter back and workflow would then put a copy of the enquiry in the fanciers's file. It would also require barcoding for the fancier to reply on the same letter, so that when it is scanned in on return (create the paperless office) it matches up in workflow with the nquiry and automaticakly pulls the case back into Gail's workbasket.

The other huge drawback of course is that every record that is currently on paper would need to be created electrnically, and that means every record for the past 10 years, there's a lot of work involved and a tidy investment required.

In the long run it would be worth it but us fanciers don't tend to be here for the long run!

[Gail J]

Good point albear worth looking into

[OLDYELLOW]

yes mark but how would we know how many transfers are being done, someone has to pay my wages ;D ;D ;D

 

simple how many transfers are been done within a year = cost divided by members = fee  

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Gail administration still required but the issue isn't that simple in terms of cost and process. It would mean probably buying a server, then back up facilities every day, a UPS (though you may already have one Gail?) and of course an electronic filing recording and retreval procedure, time stamping, a form of work flow for when fanciers fail to provide all the info. Gail would need to be able to store on the system in pend, have a word processing package wgere she could automatically construct the enquiry letter back and workflow would then put a copy of the enquiry in the fanciers's file. It would also require barcoding for the fancier to reply on the same letter, so that when it is scanned in on return (create the paperless office) it matches up in workflow with the nquiry and automaticakly pulls the case back into Gail's workbasket.

The other huge drawback of course is that every record that is currently on paper would need to be created electrnically, and that means every record for the past 10 years, there's a lot of work involved and a tidy investment required.

In the long run it would be worth it but us fanciers don't tend to be here for the long run!

 

well i suppose they could make a start with this years records then work back or just phase in each year

[pjc]

one problem i see with this!

If a bird drops in a fanciers loft and he like the look of it what would stop him going online and transfereing it to himself?

He can get the original owners details from the reddings now without reporting the bird!

 

Just a thought!

[Guest]

 

well i suppose they could make a start with this years records then work back or just phase in each year

 

Mark, mixing systems doesn't work well, in theory agree with you but in preactice particularly with larger amounts of staff (and appreciate the Reddings only has a small level of staff)people get confused, When I first wiorked on workflow 14 years ago (early days) and visited the 'pioneers' before we put it in to practice, someone had done the very thing and completley cocked up their records.

[OLDYELLOW]

one problem i see with this!

If a bird drops in a fanciers loft and he like the look of it what would stop him going online and transfereing it to himself?

He can get the original owners details from the reddings now without reporting the bird!

 

Just a thought!

 

well diffence would be they wouldnt have there loft number so without a loft number they wouldnt be transfered   dint know they gave the loft number as well ?

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Mark, mixing systems doesn't work well, in theory agree with you but in preactice particularly with larger amounts of staff (and appreciate the Reddings only has a small level of staff)people get confused, When I first wiorked on workflow 14 years ago (early days) and visited the 'pioneers' before we put it in to practice, someone had done the very thing and completley cocked up their records.

 

clerical error by person doent mean that not workable they could do it starting now and for rings 09 onwards and phase the old method out or start 2010

[Guest]

 

clerical error by person doent mean that not workable they could do it starting now and for rings 09 onwards and phase the old method out or start 2010

Unfortunately it does, you have to take in to account risk if you ignore it will come crashing down. It's the same with specing the system, if you let an IT bod do it you'll have a technically good system but it will be one that doesn't work for the user and it's the end user that has to make it work, not the manager or the technicians.

[pjc]

 

well diffence would be they wouldnt have there loft number so without a loft number they wouldnt be transfered   dint know they gave the loft number as well ?

 

I have often completed RPRA transfers without putting loft number on them!

[OLDYELLOW]

 

I have often completed RPRA transfers without putting loft number on them!

 

i suppose difference there would be you have 14 days to reject the transfer

[OLDYELLOW]

Unfortunately it does, you have to take in to account risk if you ignore it will come crashing down. It's the same with specing the system, if you let an IT bod do it you'll have a technically good system but it will be one that doesn't work for the user and it's the end user that has to make it work, not the manager or the technicians.

 

then if clerical errors can occur on computers the same can be said for paper so then let them adopt a ring card system then no need for transfers  

[Guest]

 

then if clerical errors can occur on computers the same can be said for paper so then let them adopt a ring card system then no need for transfers  

 

Aye and how many fanciers in your club do you know that can put their hands on all their transfers now and file all their paperwork, if you just had ring cards you would need a greater clerical back up for issuing thousands of lost duplicates;)

[Joe90]

i would like to see an online transfer form via the rpra website, a simple form to fill in and submit, on submit you could be directed to paypal to pay your £1.50p. just an idea for you

[Guest]

i would like to see an online transfer form via the rpra website, a simple form to fill in and submit, on submit you could be directed to paypal to pay your £1.50p. just an idea for you

 

Good idea Joe, RPRA could automatically print off stamped transfer; for the environment they could send you an e mail instead no need for paper; many secretaries now use e mail and you could e mail a copy to the sec when proof were needed, but it will always need recording whether electronically or by human hand