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to be honest there is no good stating the odds without the knowledge of the truth so there is no good untill we have the confirmation off gail.

also the bird earns the trophy so wether the fancier is a member or not ..its the birds performance and not the fancier.

..i think all feds/combines in wales should have to become members by the whpu rules.

then there can not be any trouble or thinking there is any under handedness.

i think this would be fair on everyone then.

 

i think there is some very good performances on show.

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to be honest there is no good stating the odds without the knowledge of the truth so there is no good untill we have the confirmation off gail.

also the bird earns the trophy so wether the fancier is a member or not ..its the birds performance and not the fancier.

..i think all feds/combines in wales should have to become members by the whpu rules.

then there can not be any trouble or thinking there is any under handedness.

i think this would be fair on everyone then.

 

i think there is some very good performances on show.

 

Go one step further, limited clubs, north and south, limited feds, one in each area and one combine/national for north and south!

Reduce costs and better racing for all!

 

 

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Gail is unable to login at the moment and has asked me to post the following on her behalf:-

 

Gentlemen, interesting to read your comments and I suppose we will never agree as to what is the best performance/s for the relevant trophies.

 

Thankfully we have an outside independent to judge the performances for these trophies. He made his decision on what he believed was the best performance for each of the trophies.

 

Agreed, there have been some outstanding performances in all of races flown under WHU Rules this year, and unfortunately not all can win.

 

It may be interesting to know that in the majority of cases, the Queens Cup & T G Buffett trophies have been won by performances from races flown at distances of 400/500 & 600 miles.  

 

With regards to performances of JO Davies & Taffy Bowen, I have not listed these yet and will do so as soon as possible.

Guest Rhondda RedFox
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As nobody has come forward, please find below details of the WHU Trophy Winners 2008, copied from our friend TOM123's website Link below........   TAKE A LOOK FOR YOURSELVES

 

www.welshnational.piczo.com/.

 

AS YOU CAN SEE ITS SHOWS TAFFY BOWEN TROPHY WINNER LOVELL BROS - BRUSSELS RESULT.....  THEY FLY 338 MILES TO BRUSSELS

 

OUR PERFORMANCE WAS NOT ENTERED AS THE RACE WAS OVER 300 MILES, PLEASE READ THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!

 

IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW PEOPLE CAN BE HELPFULL ONLY WHEN IT SUITS THEM!!!!!

 

 

 

This was

 

whpu winning performances 2008

QUEENS CUP WINNERS 2008

Preece Bros &sons

Giessen 1st Club

1st Fed

1st Welsh South East Combine

1st Welsh South East National.

Only 21 home in race time winning National by 2 hours

T G Buffett Memorial, Runner Up to Queens Cup

J Morris Hengoed

Brussells     6th club,

Bonn         1st club, 2nd section Fed, 5th Fed open

3rd sec Welsh South East National

4th Welsh South East Combine

Giessen

1st Club

2nd section Fed

5th Fed open

4th National

6th Combine

 

=========================================

Prince of Wales (opposite route to Queens Cup) North Road

P Burford & Daughters Hereford

 

Thurso 1st Welsh Grand National F/C

 

========================================

J O D Young Bird

A Buttigieg Jnr & Sons     Newport (North Road)

Welsh Grand National

Wakefield     4th Club

Ripon           4th Club, 18th Section & 21st Fed open

                  12th National Section & 13th Open

Hexham       1st Club

                  1st sec & 1st open Fed

                  1st sec & 1st open National

Shrewsbury 1st club, 1st section & 1st National

Nantwich     1st club, 1st section & 1st open Fed

 

========================================

 

Taffy Bowen Sprint Cup

Lovell Bros     Crumlin

 

Swindon     22nd sec 36th Fed

Newbury     4th club

Maidstone 139th sec 590th National

Ramsgate   29th sec, 53rd open Fed, 40th sec & 92nd National

 

Lillers         5th sec 22nd Fed open, 14th sec & 16th National.

Brussells   1st sec & 1 Fed open, 1st sec & 1st Open National, 1st Welsh South East Combine.

Guest strapper
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As nobody has come forward, please find below details of the WHU Trophy Winners 2008, copied from our friend TOM123's website Link below........   TAKE A LOOK FOR YOURSELVES

 

www.welshnational.piczo.com/.

 

AS YOU CAN SEE ITS SHOWS TAFFY BOWEN TROPHY WINNER LOVELL BROS - BRUSSELS RESULT.....  THEY FLY 338 MILES TO BRUSSELS

 

OUR PERFORMANCE WAS NOT ENTERED AS THE RACE WAS OVER 300 MILES, PLEASE READ THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!

 

IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW PEOPLE CAN BE HELPFULL ONLY WHEN IT SUITS THEM!!!!!

 

 

 

This was

 

whpu winning performances 2008

QUEENS CUP WINNERS 2008

Preece Bros &sons

Giessen 1st Club

1st Fed

1st Welsh South East Combine

1st Welsh South East National.

Only 21 home in race time winning National by 2 hours

T G Buffett Memorial, Runner Up to Queens Cup

J Morris Hengoed

Brussells     6th club,

Bonn         1st club, 2nd section Fed, 5th Fed open

3rd sec Welsh South East National

4th Welsh South East Combine

Giessen

1st Club

2nd section Fed

5th Fed open

4th National

6th Combine

 

=========================================

Prince of Wales (opposite route to Queens Cup) North Road

P Burford & Daughters Hereford

 

Thurso 1st Welsh Grand National F/C

 

========================================

J O D Young Bird

A Buttigieg Jnr & Sons     Newport (North Road)

Welsh Grand National

Wakefield     4th Club

Ripon           4th Club, 18th Section & 21st Fed open

                  12th National Section & 13th Open

Hexham       1st Club

                  1st sec & 1st open Fed

                  1st sec & 1st open National

Shrewsbury 1st club, 1st section & 1st National

Nantwich     1st club, 1st section & 1st open Fed

 

========================================

 

Taffy Bowen Sprint Cup

Lovell Bros     Crumlin

 

Swindon     22nd sec 36th Fed

Newbury     4th club

Maidstone 139th sec 590th National

Ramsgate   29th sec, 53rd open Fed, 40th sec & 92nd National

 

Lillers         5th sec 22nd Fed open, 14th sec & 16th National.

Brussells   1st sec & 1 Fed open, 1st sec & 1st Open National, 1st Welsh South East Combine.

 

brussels result should not be included your right...on that!

if the rules states under 300mls.

Guest Rhondda RedFox
Posted

As I said earlier 1 rule for 1 and another for someone else!!!!

 

Do U still think sour grapes????  I am livid!

Guest Rhondda RedFox
Posted

Gail,

 

This clearly wasn't meant for you, if you read my earlier posts I asked Tom if he could confirm one way or not and he said he couldn't help, yet this was taken from HIS website, you have been more than helpfull to the partnership this year by collating combine results etc...

 

I do feel however, its now time to take this off-line and have the officials of the Union to get this mess sorted.

 

Rob.

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J O Davies Trophy

 

A Buttigieg & Son

 

Nantwich  104 miles

 

1st club   166 birds

1st sec   1014 birds

1 fed      1319 birds

 

Chesterfield 129 miles

1st club 137 birds

1st sec 802 birds

1st fed 1013 birds

 

Chesterfield 2. 129 miles

1st club 135 birds

1s sec 653 birds

1st fed 803 birds

 

Wakefield 159 miles

2nd club 110 birds

3rd sec 501 birds

3rd fed 611 birds

 

 

Ripon 188 miles

1st club 109 birds

2nd sec 401 birds

2nd fed 511 birds

1st open fed 122 birds

1st national 102 birds

 

Hexham 237 miles

1st club 80 birds

1st sec 286 birds

1st fed 325 birds

1st open fed 107 birds

1st national 88 birds

1st welsh championship club 27 birds

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Robert, Taffy Bowen Cup is up to 300 miles as albear and maxwell stated, if I had been in work over the weekend then yes I would have posted.

 

Your one performance was over 300 miles as was Lovell Bros, their performances was judged without that one race, it was not eligible, it was NOT taken into consideration, the same as was done for you, if you had won it yours would have been read out in the dinner, the same as Lovell bros.

I will now put up Taffy Bowen result.

 

I forgot to put the miles on the other performances.

 

Queens Cup  Metz 451 miles

                   Saverne 509 miles

 

T G Buffett    Reims 364 miles

                   Heilbronn 572 miles

Posted

Taffy Bowen Trophy

 

A Buttigieg & Son

 

Chesterfield 129 miles

1st club 135 birds

10th sec 819 birds

10th fed 998 birds

 

Shrewsbury 84 miles

1st club 141 birds

2nd sec 501 birds

2nd fed 627 birds

 

Nantwich 104 miles

1st club 101 birds

1st sec 366 birds

1st fed 455 birds

 

Shrewsbury 84 miles

1st club 64 birds

1st sec 279 birds

1st fed 357 birds

 

Hexham 237 miles

1st club 107 birds

1st sec 631 birds

1st fed 786 birds

1st open fed 181 birds

 

Kelso 280 miles

3rd club 74 birds

13th sec 451 birds

13th fed 553 birds

10th open fed 158 birds

10th national 141 birds

Guest Rhondda RedFox
Posted

Gail,

 

If that is the case how did the WHPU allow people to publish this?  I believe it was also published in the fancy press, I am waiting for the copy.

 

Its not about winning the trophy now anyway, this shine has been taken away from it as you can understand.

 

I and a lot of other fanciers in Wales, feel the WHU still have a case to answer to, as the undestanding of many people is that is was Judged on the Brussles performance.

 

Rob.

Guest strapper
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Robert, Taffy Bowen Cup is up to 300 miles as albear and maxwell stated, if I had been in work over the weekend then yes I would have posted.

 

Your one performance was over 300 miles as was Lovell Bros, their performances was judged without that one race, it was not eligible, it was NOT taken into consideration, the same as was done for you, if you had won it yours would have been read out in the dinner, the same as Lovell bros.

I will now put up Taffy Bowen result.

 

I forgot to put the miles on the other performances.

 

Queens Cup  Metz 451 miles

                   Saverne 509 miles

 

T G Buffett    Reims 364 miles

                   Heilbronn 572 miles

 

well done gail for putting the matter straight,earlier i had posted about the over 300 mls race that was on the lovells race info...i now know it wasnt included so i retract what i said earlier about it,and redfox i hope this is an end to the matter,as pointed out ...as one of your races was not also eligible ....so as i pointed in a earlier post of mine...there is no good jumping the gun untill facts are known.

thanks once again gail ..always on the ball ;)

Guest Rhondda RedFox
Posted

Strapper - as stated earlier this has now been taken off-line and will be dealt with appropriately.

Guest strapper
Posted
Strapper - as stated earlier this has now been taken off-line and will be dealt with appropriately.

 

rob m8..i have been informed that the brussels result on lovells brothers(last season) was not included in the judgement on that trophy and was just shown that the bird did go on to score after that .

it is entirely upto yourself to continue in this matter but at the end of the day ,facts are facts.

if you won the trophy then i would congratulate you on doing so,but as gail has stated one of your performances were not eligible for the trophy ...as was the lovells brussels result.

it has been explained to me in detail now and i fully accept that all winners were correctly judged by an independent judge.

i appreciate your stance in this and if you feel your performnce has been wrongly judged then you have the choice to put that straight which ever way the outcome is.,but in the same breath you must also accept that you may have misjudged the discission on who won.

i do think that if any wrong doing happened it would be clear that it was....but its not and i feel that gail is the best sec we have had since ive started in pigeons..and gets my full backing .

i feel that you should take up what ever matter you have with the powers that be and what ever the outcome put the record straight on here so not to tarnish the rightful winner of that said trophy. :)

 

i shall not add further to this post as you need to have confirmed to you by who ever.

Posted
As nobody has come forward, please find below details of the WHU Trophy Winners 2008, copied from our friend TOM123's website Link below........   TAKE A LOOK FOR YOURSELVES

 

www.welshnational.piczo.com/.

 

AS YOU CAN SEE ITS SHOWS TAFFY BOWEN TROPHY WINNER LOVELL BROS - BRUSSELS RESULT.....  THEY FLY 338 MILES TO BRUSSELS

 

OUR PERFORMANCE WAS NOT ENTERED AS THE RACE WAS OVER 300 MILES, PLEASE READ THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!

 

IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW PEOPLE CAN BE HELPFULL ONLY WHEN IT SUITS THEM!!!!!

 

 

 

This was

 

whpu winning performances 2008

QUEENS CUP WINNERS 2008

Preece Bros &sons

Giessen 1st Club

1st Fed

1st Welsh South East Combine

1st Welsh South East National.

Only 21 home in race time winning National by 2 hours

T G Buffett Memorial, Runner Up to Queens Cup

J Morris Hengoed

Brussells     6th club,

Bonn         1st club, 2nd section Fed, 5th Fed open

3rd sec Welsh South East National

4th Welsh South East Combine

Giessen

1st Club

2nd section Fed

5th Fed open

4th National

6th Combine

 

=========================================

Prince of Wales (opposite route to Queens Cup) North Road

P Burford & Daughters Hereford

 

Thurso 1st Welsh Grand National F/C

 

========================================

J O D Young Bird

A Buttigieg Jnr & Sons     Newport (North Road)

Welsh Grand National

Wakefield     4th Club

Ripon           4th Club, 18th Section & 21st Fed open

                  12th National Section & 13th Open

Hexham       1st Club

                  1st sec & 1st open Fed

                  1st sec & 1st open National

Shrewsbury 1st club, 1st section & 1st National

Nantwich     1st club, 1st section & 1st open Fed

 

========================================

 

Taffy Bowen Sprint Cup

Lovell Bros     Crumlin

 

Swindon     22nd sec 36th Fed

Newbury     4th club

Maidstone 139th sec 590th National

Ramsgate   29th sec, 53rd open Fed, 40th sec & 92nd National

 

Lillers         5th sec 22nd Fed open, 14th sec & 16th National.

Brussells   1st sec & 1 Fed open, 1st sec & 1st Open National, 1st Welsh South East Combine. [/quote

 

Well there it is the reason for all the misunderstanding what the hell is the Brussells result doing in the list of wins won by the Taffy Bowen Sprint Trophy winner it should of never be mentioned.

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