Guest bigda Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 we have had it said, and we have seen, thanks to the modern day use of web cams-videos, that there is no match to the perigrine, if it wants to eat a racing pigeon, no match at all, and if racing pigeons where hard to catch why waste the energy, the real reason is pigeons are like peanuts your bird like them and have a taste for them, like wise the perigrine has a tase for racing pigeons, i say ;)feed them, if you want to race from now on
Guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Man is the ultimate modern day predator, and with our sophisticated manner of adapting to the use of tools to survive, we have the ultimate edge over all wildlife, whether it be in conservation or keeping control of numbers. ;)
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Man is the ultimate modern day predator, and with our sophisticated manner of adapting to the use of tools to survive, we have the ultimate edge over all wildlife, whether it be in conservation or keeping control of numbers. ;) spot on.
Guest IB Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 You make it sound like 'no competition'. Can only speak in general predator / prey terms, but both are equally matched, otherwise one would go extinct:- the fastest land animal at 75mph is the cheetah. It's not designed to keep up that speed for hours on end, but for short burst to trip and catch something equally fast - antelope, which can run flat out for hours on end. After that short burst, the cheetah is totally f*kd., can hardly walk, never mind run. a peregrine only reaches top speed using gravity, it drops from yon height, clocked reaching speeds around 250 mph. It doesn't hit the bird at that speed, it needs to adjust or it will kill itself. It sees only what is in front of it. If it misses, as it must do at times, its momentum is gone, and on level chase, it cannot keep up with a pigeon, pigeons fly at 50mph and are capable of doing so for 7/8 hours without let-up, long distance pigeons fly non stop 13/14 hours. Pigeons have 99 degree all-round vision forward / back and up/down. Even with a tiny blind-spot, they are well equipped to see predators coming, take evasive action, and provided they do not panic and stay above the attacker, they will outfly anything else with wings. Have posted before on one piece of remarkable footage lasting all of ten seconds that needed stopped, rewound and replayed slow motion to show what happened: Discovery showed a clip of a peregrine-like attack on a pigeon, seemed to hit the pigeon, but didn't catch it? Replayed in slow motion, totally different outcome, just before the 'strike', the pigeon obviously knew the peregrine was coming, because just before the peregrine struck, the pigeon literally stopped mid-air, and 'fell' backwards out of the strike path ... and peregrine shot straight past into thin air. Having said this for 'balance', I agree with others that these birds should not be given artificial breeding ledges to encourage them into town centre sites. I think we can do a lot there by finding out our local councils planning policies on this, know that I want to find out what Falkirk has to say on the subject. Might be misguided into thinking its a solution for clearing town centres of streeters.
Guest numpty01 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 we have had it said, and we have seen, thanks to the modern day use of web cams-videos, that there is no match to the perigrine, if it wants to eat a racing pigeon, no match at all, and if racing pigeons where hard to catch why waste the energy, the real reason is pigeons are like peanuts your bird like them and have a taste for them, like wise the perigrine has a tase for racing pigeons, i say ;)feed them, if you want to race from now on i found the lead minerals i use are great to beat the speed at which perigrins travel
hepste Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 IB, you are spot on with your summary. There are however, two, or possibly more inequalities that the racing pigeon has to deal with. Firstly, during the course of a race, it becomes tired mentally and physically, and it's evasive judgement/timing is not what it should be. In fact it becomes the equivalent of a sickly wild bird. Secondly, natural selection is inteferred with by ourselves, and therefore does not provide all of the tools with which the RP can effectively deal with an attack; the most important being the position of the eyes. You will note that on some of our pigeons they are angled forward, and on others the angle is flatter to the line of the head. I suggest that the better all round vision for evasion purposes is the latter.
Guest bigda Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 no mater what, the hawk must strike fear in to the batches, and that in turn brings on illness to the birds should they go in to hiding, you have all seen on web cams clutches of 4 fledged at a rate of 4 pigeons a day and they are not street birds, now they have the best sites in the land, they can see your birds come from 40 mile out, back to the web cam i have notice they didn't come back empty handed, the cock hawk had time to strip the bird and present it like a oven ready type at present we are the hawk keepers, and in the winter the farmers take over, giving the peregrine duck,pheasant, grouse,
Guest numpty01 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 going back to the jackets if we all used them how long do you think it would be before the hawk problem would be solved we spend great deal time discussing the capabilitys of hawks and a lot less time cureing the problem ;D ;D ;D
Guest bigda Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 going back to the jackets if we all used them how long do you think it would be before the hawk problem would be solved we spend great deal time discussing the capabilitys of hawks and a lot less time cureing the problem ;D ;D ;D what date would you have the tailor call
Guest numpty01 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 i think its time we all woke up here is perfect legal way off protecting our birds without the need to have lots money so wake up and use it once or twice a week on a couple birds even just in winter will have an affect drastic one?????
Guest numpty01 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 i aint sitting here makeing them when its easy to make youer own ;D ;D ;D ;D
weecunny Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 so how do we make them numpti . who sells them
Guest HighSpeedLofts Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Just gt some microdermal implants there easy to fit you ned a biopsy punch insert microdermal leave for a few weeks then screw spikes on it would be th coolest pigeon in the club lol
knoxjn Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 have asked on here before what are the jackets people keep refering to and where do you get them
Guest numpty01 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 anyone wants instructions send pm with adress and i will forward them
Guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 You make it sound like 'no competition'. Can only speak in general predator / prey terms, but both are equally matched, otherwise one would go extinct:- the fastest land animal at 75mph is the cheetah. It's not designed to keep up that speed for hours on end, but for short burst to trip and catch something equally fast - antelope, which can run flat out for hours on end. After that short burst, the cheetah is totally f*kd., can hardly walk, never mind run. a peregrine only reaches top speed using gravity, it drops from yon height, clocked reaching speeds around 250 mph. It doesn't hit the bird at that speed, it needs to adjust or it will kill itself. It sees only what is in front of it. If it misses, as it must do at times, its momentum is gone, and on level chase, it cannot keep up with a pigeon, pigeons fly at 50mph and are capable of doing so for 7/8 hours without let-up, long distance pigeons fly non stop 13/14 hours. Pigeons have 99 degree all-round vision forward / back and up/down. Even with a tiny blind-spot, they are well equipped to see predators coming, take evasive action, and provided they do not panic and stay above the attacker, they will outfly anything else with wings. Have posted before on one piece of remarkable footage lasting all of ten seconds that needed stopped, rewound and replayed slow motion to show what happened: Discovery showed a clip of a peregrine-like attack on a pigeon, seemed to hit the pigeon, but didn't catch it? Replayed in slow motion, totally different outcome, just before the 'strike', the pigeon obviously knew the peregrine was coming, because just before the peregrine struck, the pigeon literally stopped mid-air, and 'fell' backwards out of the strike path ... and peregrine shot straight past into thin air. Having said this for 'balance', I agree with others that these birds should not be given artificial breeding ledges to encourage them into town centre sites. I think we can do a lot there by finding out our local councils planning policies on this, know that I want to find out what Falkirk has to say on the subject. Might be misguided into thinking its a solution for clearing town centres of streeters. Cracking post.
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