Save And Protect British Song Birds Society

[OLDYELLOW]

my reply :

 

The fact is cuckoo don't  build there own nests they rely on other birds such as thrush ectra and lay there eggs to colour of same bird , as most these birds are in serious decline then this effects the cuckoo , man has interfered with releasing high numbers of birds of prey mainly peregrine these are a countryside birds and naturaly wouldn't be in city's only by mans manipulation are they there now , now numbers are above endangered levels the protection should be lifted and left to nature .

[Guest bristolkev]

just took this off the RSPB site...

 

Recent media coverage has reported on the presence of a small number of breeding eagle owls in the UK. The origin of these individuals is unknown, though there is no evidence that birds other than from released stock have bred in Britain in recent times.

 

As a probable introduced species, we believe the government should assess the likely impacts of an increasing population of eagle owls, including on the conservation status of native wildlife.

 

Eagle owls may colonise Britain in the future as the population recovers on the European mainland. If eagle owls arrive here naturally, the RSPB would welcome it, as we do the expansion of other colonising birds, such as little egret and Cetti’s warbler.

 

The British List

The decision as to whether a species is included on the British List rests with the British Ornithologists' Union. The BOU Records Committee compiled a dossier on the eagle owl during an assessment of its status in 1996. An extensive review revealed around 90 reports of this species since 1684. After careful consideration, the BOU Committee concluded unanimously that many of the descriptions (where available) were not adequate to prove that eagle owl was the species concerned.

 

Of those where the Committee accepted the identification as eagle owl, members were equally united in believing that the possibility of escapes and releases could not be dismissed. Nevertheless, as a European species, the eagle owl is fully protected in Britain when they occur in a wild state, unless it can be shown they were bred in captivity.

 

The eagle owl has been known in captivity in this country since at least the 17th century and many were brought from India during the 19th century. Eagle owls are very commonly kept in captivity - often by people who are not falconers. Over 2,000 licences to keep pet eagle owls were applied for between 1998 and 2003.

 

Historical evidence

There is some limited fossil evidence of eagle owls in Britain, and a recent review of these records, published in British Birds, suggests that they may have been present soon after the end of the last Ice Age, 5,500 to 10,000 years ago.Several other former breeding birds, such as cranes, appear in art and literature, yet despite its size and being considered a bird of ill omen elsewhere in Europe, eagle owls do not appear regularly in English or Celtic culture until relatively recently.

 

Regardless of the eagle owl's status as a formerly occurring bird in Britain, we believe a thorough assessment of the likely impacts of its return should be conducted. This is needed whether the species in question has been consistently present in one part of Britain before being re-introduced to another (eg red kites to England and Scotland) or absent for thousands of years (eg. eagle owl).

 

Our position

There are many examples, from this country and around the world, of serious conservation problems arising from the misguided introduction of non-native species. The introduction of American signal crayfish to many of our rivers has led our native white-clawed crayfish to the brink of extinction, while invasive plants from overseas are causing real damage to important wetland habitats in the UK.

 

The RSPB is not suggesting that the small numbers of eagle owls breeding in Britain should be removed, but it is important that they are monitored to know what effect they are having on native wildlife and how they are spreading. It would be very unfortunate to discover in 20 years’ time that they were devastating native birds and, by then, it would be very difficult to do anything about it.

 

Eagle owls will prey on a wide range of bird and mammals, but little is known about what is eaten by eagle owls in this country. This means that their potential impact on the conservation status of native wildlife is unknown. If eagle owls were to spread rapidly and affect the conservation status of native wildlife, including species such as black grouse and hen harrier, that would be of concern.

 

We believe that, as part of its non-native species strategy, the government should assess the likely impacts of an increasing population of eagle owls and consult interested groups on its recommendations. If eagle owls are assessed to be a benign introduction, we would be happy to see them accepted as a part of our wildlife, in the same way that the introduced little owl has been.

 

If eagle owls are a benign introduction, we do not see the need for a translocation programme to bolster their population. They would appear capable of increasing and spreading without the need for intervention. This is in contrast with species such as the red kite and white-tailed eagle that are well-documented as being native to Britain, but required assistance through re-introduction programmes to return to areas from which they had been eradicated.

 

Last modified: 13 August 2007

 

 

so what about the damage the peregrine and the sparrowhawk has done in the past 20 year`s or more...what have they done about them!!!......just bred some more!

 

[white logan]

so they are saying if it colonises naturally it can stay , like the red kite , the sea eagle (and proposed re-introduction into norfolk) and other species that they favour , just shows what a bunch of hypocrits they are

[chickadee]

so they are saying if it colonises naturally it can stay , like the red kite , the sea eagle (and proposed re-introduction into norfolk) and other species that they favour , just shows what a bunch of hypocrits they are

 

Typical propaganda machine, surely the RSPB would have knowledge of their diet from their counterparts in Europe, who says ignorance is bliss

[Guest]

There was a thread that was deleted on here that pointed out that the RSPB effectively shot themselves in the foot regarding this faux pas statement.  It would be all but impossible to prove that the eagle owl was introduced either naturally or through breeding.  Looks like the propganda machine isn't as clever as it thinks.  

[ch pied]

There was a thread that was deleted on here that pointed out that the RSPB effectively shot themselves in the foot regarding this faux pas statement.  It would be all but impossible to prove that the eagle owl was introduced either naturally or through breeding.  Looks like the propganda machine isn't as clever as it thinks.  

correct ,,,,,,,but its still well oiled machine that's been running for yonk's . when these people start the machine , it will get dirty , under handed & straight into the trenche's .

 

[Guest]

correct ,,,,,,,but its still well oiled machine that's been running for yonk's . when these people start the machine , it will get dirty , under handed & straight into the trenche's .

There's no doubt about it but well oiled machine or not they have rules of engagement to follow just like anyone else, that's why the Americans have never won a war on thier own.  Harder to fight the invisible soldier than it is to fight an open army.  

[chickadee]

correct ,,,,,,,but its still well oiled machine that's been running for yonk's . when these people start the machine , it will get dirty , under handed & straight into the trenche's .

 

It is also a multi million pound business with a lot to lose and a lot of money to pay for the machine oil

[Guest]

 

It is also a multi million pound business with a lot to lose and a lot of money to pay for the machine oil

 

Yes and the money comes from the gullible public who have been fed on bull$hit for over a century. When the RSPB was formed it was to counter the barbarous trade in plumes for women's hats, a fashion responsible for the destruction of many thousands of egrets, birds of paradise and other species whose plumes had become fashionable in the late Victorian era.

 

There had already been concern earlier in the century about the wholesale destruction of such native birds as great crested grebes and kittiwakes for their plumage, leading to such early legislation as the Sea Birds Preservation Act of 1869 and the Wild Birds Protection Act of 1880, but the trigger which led to the foundation of the Society for the Protection of Birds in 1889 was the continued wearing of ever more exotic plumes.

 

How ironic that they have now re-introduced species of birds back into the wild who are now doing exactly what those Victorian "Feather traders" were doing........................Decimating the Birds that we, in the "Modern Society" have all grown to love...................... IS THAT HYPOCRITICAL OR WHAT

[Guest]

Most of us have witnessed first hand "kills" or "strikes" by BOP, be it on pigeons or songbirds, but it is all circumstantial evidence. Let us all have camera at the ready, and have hard proof of these incidences. The RSPB use photographic evidence as a means of proof, let us all be vigilant and build our own database containing photographs, date and time, location and quarry taken that can be used to put our case.

[chickadee]

This what we are up against

 

http://www.rspb.org.uk/supporting/campaigns/birdsofprey/index.asp

[white logan]

they know what sea eagles eat chickadee, but raptors are "in vogue", they also know that america had trouble with their eagle owls killing peregrines when re-introduction was first attempted and thats what they dont want to see here , for the RSPB to admitt peregrines are numerous would cost them millions of pounds in lost appeals , they have learnt from the peregrine appeal fund just how to "pluck" at the public heart strings and get people to stump up more money for their projects , eg, white tailed sea eagle (norfolk) hen harrier , marsh harrier , where ever they can make a few quid , i bet the public does not know just how big a "landowner" the RSPB is ?, bigger than the church of england  :Dand now bigger than any other organisation .

[chickadee]

they know what sea eagles eat chickadee, but raptors are "in vogue", they also know that america had trouble with their eagle owls killing peregrines when re-introduction was first attempted and thats what they dont want to see here , for the RSPB to admitt peregrines are numerous would cost them millions of pounds in lost appeals , they have learnt from the peregrine appeal fund just how to "pluck" at the public heart strings and get people to stump up more money for their projects , eg, white tailed sea eagle (norfolk) hen harrier , marsh harrier , where ever they can make a few quid , i bet the public does not know just how big a "landowner" the RSPB is ?, bigger than the church of england  :Dand now bigger than any other organisation .

 

Too true, they claim to be the the voice of knowledge on birds and yet they play dumb on the diet of European birds and say European eagle owls originate from India, last time I looked India was not part of Europe

Regards the grain companies; they make millions out of pigeon fanciers but it is only a fraction of what they make out of RSPB endorsed bird products, go into any garden centre, super market and most any other retail place and you will see their products, ask for pigeon feed and they think you are daft

[white logan]

 

Too true, they claim to be the the voice of knowledge on birds and yet they play dumb on the diet of European birds and say European eagle owls originate from India, last time I looked India was not part of Europe

Regards the grain companies; they make millions out of pigeon fanciers but it is only a fraction of what they make out of RSPB endorsed bird products, go into any garden centre, super market and most any other retail place and you will see their products, ask for pigeon feed and they think you are daft

 

the eurasian eagle owl "european" is different from the bengal "indian"eagle owl , not even the RSPB tossers can make that mistake , or is it as i suspect "bullshit", to jusitfy the removal of a species as non native, to justify their own agenda

[Guest karl adams]

i have put it on b b i a (british birds in aviculture )

[Guest numpty01]

seems this is causeing someone to take note just been on site were today rspb have emailed an appeal for signitures because of death of hawk sad storey mind its happened within the last week it seems blokes heart broken strange thing isits in hunting life in 2003 is the same story by same bloke rspb

[superstar]

Shows how daft and gulible a fair percentage of the British public is if you ask me! Can't see further than the end of their own noses or don't want to. One point of fact is why are pest controlers allowed licences to remove Lesser Black Backed gull's nests with eggs and chicks in? Hardly anyone of these so called "know-it-all's" bats an eye lid then as they dont like sea gulls they claim they are a menace, yet those gulls still have the same right to be here as their precious hawks and are infact an amber alert species on the endangered species list. Reeks of double standards that. Case of if I dont like it its bad so has to go! *expletive removed* jokers all of um!

[Guest numpty01]

sad is the word i would use im in out site were they get news letters from rspb monthly yet have not heard that rspb want cull owls as they are dangerous  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[pjc]

seems this is causeing someone to take note just been on site were today rspb have emailed an appeal for signitures because of death of hawk sad storey mind its happened within the last week it seems blokes heart broken strange thing isits in hunting life in 2003 is the same story by same bloke rspb

 

I hope you have e-mailed the original copy to prove they are just money grabbing again!

[Guest]

But even if proved, they will blame it on an error by the PR Company, rather than admit they are wrong. Too much to lose by being seen to deceive Joe Public.

[pjc]

i know they would blame somebody for the error but even if it shows the light to a handfull of people its a handfull more that may stop tipping money into the bottomless pit!

[Guest numpty01]

if you go on sites and try put youer point over even if you end up banned after being insulted over and over ??? it does not help when pigeon fancier comes on it with load rubbish to use against us and calls for the sobsbs to be stopped in its tracks writeing is like finger print and stands out a mile ?????as the rules state i cant put the site link up i wont but few of you are on it and like me can see the post  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[pjc]

enemy within or a member nobody wants involved with his negativity throwing his toys?

[Guest numpty01]

;)

enemy within or a member nobody wants involved with his negativity throwing his toys?

;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

well they can spend maney happy hours with him i give up ??i have five pairs perigrins within ten miles im asked can i put link up i named the sites of pairs they say i cant find it on google  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dthey can only quoate others by google  ;D ;Dbest stick to the normal peaple out there fed up of hawks at least they are sane