rspb at scottish parliament

[blackswan]

these birds are killing our livestock ie our pigeons what steps should we take to remove them and still be within the law?

[OLDYELLOW]

these birds are killing our livestock ie our pigeons what steps should we take to remove them and still be within the law?

 

thats one problem that needs resolving as you'd need a licence to catch them via trapping and relocating  

[Guest IB]

these birds are killing our livestock ie our pigeons what steps should we take to remove them and still be within the law?

 

'Livestock' is the first problem, what is it? As Willow pointed out, you need to look at the legislation. It defines livestock as 'animals having economic benefit'. We already have an Official ruling, pigeons are not classed as livestock, so there are no 'legal steps' available to us which allows bop removal.

 

You are allowed to do anything which does not harm them. There are two things which appeal to me, bird scaring rockets, and laser pen. Haven't tried either, but would like to get my hands on a laser pen to try one or two things out.

 

[blackswan]

 

'Livestock' is the first problem, what is it? As Willow pointed out, you need to look at the legislation. It defines livestock as 'animals having economic benefit'. We already have an Official ruling, pigeons are not classed as livestock, so there are no 'legal steps' available to us which allows bop removal.

 

You are allowed to do anything which does not harm them. There are two things which appeal to me, bird scaring rockets, and laser pen. Haven't tried either, but would like to get my hands on a laser pen to try one or two things out.

 

laser pens are not a good idea but i ,know a man in edinburgh who used to sell them.

 

 

[Guest Owen]

I think we should work through the Unions. They have lists of the Membership and can see to it that every registered Pigeon Fancier has the opportunity to sign a petition.

Our record is not good when it comes to working together so we need better organisation to ensure that no-one is missed out in regard to our request for suport.

If we do this we can produce a sizable number of suporters. After that we could lead the way in aquireing suport form other groups of people. And finally we could put pressure on the Unions to provide money to employ a person to market our Sport to get the understanding and suport of the Public. If we do this we can move the Unions from their current role of glorified stray reporters to a properly representitive role that is able to truly deal with the issues of the day.

If you like this outline of ideas I am sure that I can be more specific in the days to come and provide a more detailed write up for examination and modification of the members of the Sport. I could be that we now need to act in a firm and positive way if we are not to lose the Sport altogether.

[Mealy Cock]

86 ,000 members sign there petion 276 signed a pigeon one to change the law , i can go on about the near extinction of the skylark , the cuckcoo , and other birds sucessfully put on the red list by R.S.P.B pollocys and what used to be quite a few common birds such as sparrow and blue tit , they put this down to to everything but bops , that fact is the cuckcoo relies on other species to raise its young and its the decimation of viable nest sites of other species by bops and the cuckcoos this is happening , if they want things to be controlled naturaly then no injured hawk should be be taken care for mended and put back out to kill again as natures about  Survival of the fittest , even during the last cold spell many bops would of perished as it would natural reduce the numbers but no they catch them feed them back up the release again , then theres release programmes the kite is not a natural british bird and has only recently be reintroduced there everywhere now , but try to leave eagle owls out in the wild they claim there not english birds when the fact is they are , but they can legaly remove these why ?????? double standard saying shouldnt medal with nature and they do it day in and day out to make money , lets look at another scheme they wanted set aside for farmers by goverment farmer out at Flamborough were urged to plant crops and leave them for the wild life end result a plague of rats the truth is whenever the R.S.P.B has medaled with nature they've never got it right ever !!!!!!! rant over

 

I have on a number of occasions spoken to the RSPB both over the phone and face to face about the ever increasing population of BOP. And how the small bird population is dwindling and the increase in crow and magpies. The RSBP blame everybody but themselves. I have also asked why won't they introduce the eagle owl or the eagle, all kinds of excuses are made as previously mentioned.

 

What I intended doing is when the elections are up and running the first one to come to my door will

Gets an ear bashing about BOP and if they want my vote they can earn it.

 

[les]

 

'Livestock' is the first problem, what is it? As Willow pointed out, you need to look at the legislation. It defines livestock as 'animals having economic benefit'. We already have an Official ruling, pigeons are not classed as livestock, so there are no 'legal steps' available to us which allows bop removal.

 

You are allowed to do anything which does not harm them. There are two things which appeal to me, bird scaring rockets, and laser pen. Haven't tried either, but would like to get my hands on a laser pen to try one or two things out.

here you go our problem solve in 1go ,,,,.animals having a economic benefit,ie chickens because you eat them and sell them for food also eggs of them ,[making money from the animal POULTRY] what is stoping us SELLING PIGEON EGGS TO EAT ,AND PIGEONS FOR THE TABLE [amoungst our selves  ,that is a pretty big outlet]  so we should automatically be elegible the same as the chicken keepers ,,think about it

 

 

[Guest beautyhomer]

 

Quite right and also were loads of butterflies last year , the less small birds there are the more likely farmer will have no choice but to go back to the old pesticides of old then the bops will have  serious problems from the toxins present

 

Sorry but I think DDT has been banned now.It used to make the BOP's eggshells thin

[REDROCKET]

what we shuld all do is every time we get hit stick the dead pigeon in a package and ost it to the huse of commons they,ll soon get fed up with it i think.

[les]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and why not breed pigeons to eat and sell along with eggs ,it will get us the same protection as the poultry farmers .