Strain Characteristics

[DinUtah]

This spring I bought a few breeders from a winner in my club.  Even though they are different familys, I was told they were janssen based so if the pairs got mixed it would be ok.  I mention that to perhaps get some comment from whoever has wants to share.  But my question is,, he told me that pearl eyes was a janssen trait.  So does that mean that the young I have from them that have pearl eyes are closer to the real deal or just pearl eyed birds?  Just wondering..DinUtah

[Guest ben]

Hi Dinutah,

                Pearl eye`s are just recessive,nothing more ,nothing less,don`t be conned into thinking janseens are good or bad,90% of anything  most people bred are toatal rubbish, just race them hard and see what your left with.

     To be perfectly honest, janssens are mostly sprint based, and  most sprint races are won by system,and not birds.

                Hope this helps.Best Wishes!!!!!!!!

[Guest shadow]

You can get pearl eyes in most families and it  does not make any difference to their flying ability. The only thing I do not do is pair two pearl eyed pigeons to gether as I find the Y/Bs tend to have wishy washy eyes and never finish the season.

 

fly hard fly fair

[PIGEON_MAN]

DINUTAH,AFTER LOOKING AT MANY MANY EYES OVER THE YEARS I DO AGREE THAT THE PEARL EYES DO SEEM TO COME UP A LOT IN THE JANSSEN PIGEONS BUT I WOULD NOT WORRY TO MUCH AS BEN SAID RACE THEM AND SEE WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT.

[Guest slugmonkey]

I have noticed that some of my families of birds do share some eye traits my Veenstra / Koopmans seem to run high in green or purple hues I have some Gesselbrechts ( hope I spelled that right ) they have a very unusual eye its not like the eyes of my other birds I agree fly them and see what happens

[Guest slugmonkey]

P.S. I disagree with Ben I don't think sprints are won just on systems and I dont belive that Janssens are only sprint based I have had several that have done well on tough 600 mile races I have a bird that is the biggest powder blue with a pearl eye the size of a pea that took 7th on the toughest race our club ever had he was also the best bird in club flying 10 of 11 weeks and he is DEEP in janssen blood

[Guest]

Ben

 

I disagree with you that Janssens are only sprint birds, our Janssens have won from 100 miles to 500 miles and sometimes in very tough conditions.  One of our Janssen hens won the World Trade Centre Race in 2003 and she was the only day bird out of 1450 flying 346 miles, in an extremely tough race

 

[rlez]

WELL DONE BEN

 

YOU HAVE OPENED A CAN OF WORMS HERE

LES

[PIGEON_MAN]

I MAY BE WRONG HERE BUT WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERANT LOTS OF JANSSENS.THE FAMOUS JANSSEN BROTHERS BIRDS WERE I THINK GENERALLY THOUGHT OF TO BE A SPRINT BASED FAMILY BUT THE PERHAPS NOT SO WELL KNOWN WAS JULES JANSSEN WHOSE BIRDS WERE DEFINATELY BETTER KNOWN FOR THE DISTANCE.

[Guest]

IF IT NOT GOT JANSSEN BROTHERS RING ON IT THAN YOU CAN NOT SAY IT A REAL JANSSENAS MOST TOP LOFTS ARE JANSSEN BASED THAY ALL HAVE A CROSS IN THEM SOMEWERE THAT IS WEY YOU CAN GET FROM 500 MILES AS FOR PEARL EYES IT NOT THE EYE THAT IS NO GOOD IT THE PIGEON

[Guest]

Our Janssens are definately out of Janssen Brothers stock

 

Pedigree of Our Top Janssen cock 1995 NL 256125

 

Grootvader Belge 73 6736019 N\Janssen Arendonk Groodmoeder Belge 7652290 Janssen Bros Arendonk

 

Grootvader Belg 82 6692505 Janssen Brothers   Grootmoeder Belg 79 6189950 Janssen Brothers

 

Vader Belge 85 6377642 Janssen Brothers  Moeder Belg 63377653 Janssen Brothers anyone who knows Janssen Brothers Birds will clearly recognise the Ring Numbers expecially 019

 

Our birds are definately not sprint birds, we fly Staf Van Reets which are definately sprint birds.

[jimmy white]

i remember a chap from the borders did exceptionally well at the distance  with the jansens, he had two sisters called the   [ something] valley sisters   these both scored well at over 500 miles,,    maybe someone will remember the proper names of these birds??

[stucky 1]

Pairing them together will lead to all pearl eyes, as they cant throw anything else, remeber reading loft profile on leishmen bros of douglas water, he was asked if he would pair pearl to pearl, his reply was i have no choice as they are all pearl eyed birds. And they were legends in these parts lanarkshire. So did not do them any harm, jannsens  will fly 500 mile as jimmy said they were founded on long distance blood, better with a cross right enough the dutch famous for this. Another trait with them dont no if your birds have it , is they have red to pinky eye ceres.

[Guest slugmonkey]

I have several birds direct from Janssen stock as well as a few from the Planet Brothers stock as we all know the Planet Brothers relied heavily on the Janssen brothers as a supplier of top notch birds as did MANY of the top fanciers in Europe I dont belive ( personal opinion ) that the janssen birds were any higher in pearl eye concentration than any other color and having a pearl eye is no sign that a bird is janssen or not janssen and I think that was the original question

[Guest slugmonkey]

P.S. if you think the Janssen brothers birds were sprinters look at what the Planet Brothers did with their birds and more importantly where they did it !!!

[speedbird]

i remember 2blokes in our club bought sum birds 1bought sprint the other distance and the sprinters won at the channel races & distance birds won inland!!!

 

i have a some karael hemans sprinters & some are no good a sprint races but have had some success on the channel with em think you have to find em out what they are good at

[Guest]

SLUGMONKEY

 

THE PLANET BROTHERS BIRDS WERE VANLOONS /ALIENS /JANSSEN HITMAN 30X1st UP TO 300 MILES  THE EXERMINTOR 33X1st up to 300 miles he did fly 500 miles and WAS 39 open  but he was a  ALIEN PLANET STATES THAY SEEN TO EXCELL UP TO 400MILES   JANSSEN NEVER SEAT HES BIRDS OVER 80 MILES AND ONLY ON GOOD DAYS

[stucky 1]

The janssens were sprinters as they were the only races they took part in. They did send once to long distance race and scored well, but the fear of losing there good birds from the distance put them of racing at that distance.

[Guest WINGS 04]

how tells a bird it is a sprinter or a distsnce bird you will only know when you send it

[jimmy white]

sometimes i think its what they are prepaired for  i.e differant for sprint or distance

[speedbird]

dead right jimmy

[stucky 1]

I agree to a certain lengh with jimmy, it is how they prepared that counts a lot, but some famlies are out and out sprinters, you may get one in a thousand score at distance were distance families would be say 20 in a thousand score.

[jimmy white]

yes agree both stucky and speedy, i put a post on these lines [ in the wrong post]it was under the post on culls, should have really made a new post of it , just to get all opinions?? it would be interesting, i understand what wings is saying, the bird doesnt know its a sprintor a distance, but it has to have the fuel and the constitution for the long hard races, i fnd that the biggest fault with failing at the distance are training too early ,racing to early, and too many club races, in other words ,there is not enough fuel in the tank left, for the long ones, only my opinion.

[Guest WINGS 04]

YES JIMMY YOU ARE RIGHT  WE SOME TIMES SEND THE BIRDS TO MANY TIMES AND THERE IS NOTHING LEFT BUT WE SOME TIMES HOLD THE GOOD ONES BACK TO RACE AT THE DISTANC YOU HAVE GOT TO SEND YOU BAST BIRDS  AND BE READY TO TAKE THE HARD KNOCKS AS THERE IS PLENTY OFF THEM

[jimmy white]

yes your right wings   i think its a case of setting the birds up for the races in question, only problem is you dont get so many chances at the distance, but as you say, youve got to pick your best, set them up, then take your chance, its the only way to find out.