eyesign real or fake

[snowy]

thanks jack,

my thoughts too

[bewted]

hi jack,hope your ok? i have been breeding white pigeons from pure white,,,,,,,i have now a yb that has a black tail feather and very,almost invisible,black specks on the very tips of the primaries,thought it was dirt marks at first,,,,,,,would i be right in saying this is from a grizzle line or what is your thinking?  regards ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

If the strain was pure white they could not breed with a black feather or black smudges because it is not in the gene of a pure white pigeon.

 

If the birds has colour in the eye any markings are definitely from the Grizzle, if it is bull it is from a concentration of Gay Pied bred down until they become predominantly white. I am not a colour geneticist, but I know from practical experience over a period of 50 plus years that what I say is correct. I find this more understandable to the average fancier than the algebraic equations sometimes used in genetics, which often only muddies the waters even more than when the question was first asked.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Regards

 

Jack

 

[bewted]

thanks jack,it is a bull eye and as you say gay pied line,,,,,that makes it clear,,,thanks again jack,,,,regards ted

[dazza 24]

fantastic stuff - Jack where can i buy your books videos cd's and tips on photography!

[bewted]

hi jack,can a pair of pearl eyed birds breed yellow eyes or will they breed  pearl eyes all the time?  regards  ted

[MsPigeon]

Hi Jack,

We recently viewed one of your videos and found ourselves with more questions. I was happy to say I knew where to get the answers.

1. You mention that birds only come into form after they begin to molt. So is it correct to say you should be racing molting birds?

2. What about when they are missing more than one flight on each side?

3. You mention the correct way to hold and handle a pigeon, not to hold it against your stomach. Why is this?

More questions later.

Thank You

Carol

[Jack Barkel]

hi jack,can a pair of pearl eyed birds breed yellow eyes or will they breed  pearl eyes all the time?  regards  ted

 

Hello Ted,

 

Two pearl eyes being recessive can only breed pearl eyed pigeons, whereas two yellow eyes can carry the recessive pearl and may on occasions breed a pearl eyed bird.

 

Regards

 

Jack

[bewted]

thanks jack,i thought that too,but,only 99% sure ,just wanted to be 100% sure to be right,the pearl eyed cock i mentioned previously,is mated to a bull eyed hen,produced a split bull/pearl eye in a youngster from that pair,the actual pearl in yb than shows, was only a slight crack in eye about 5% or less,just barely enough for me to see,but,tells me bull eyed hen is pearl,perfect,got it right!!!   thanks once again jack,  regards  ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hi Jack,

We recently viewed one of your videos and found ourselves with more questions. I was happy to say I knew where to get the answers.

1. You mention that birds only come into form after they begin to molt. So is it correct to say you should be racing molting birds?

2. What about when they are missing more than one flight on each side?

3. You mention the correct way to hold and handle a pigeon, not to hold it against your stomach. Why is this?

More questions later.

Thank You

Carol

Hello Carol,

 

Yes, that is correct a pigeon will not come into form until it has started its moulting process. In answer to question 2, if a pigeon is missing a primary flight on each side, of either one two three or number four, it is natural and compensated for in the wing. Therefore it will not impede or reduce the birds performance.

 

No 3, If one has been trying to get increased water into a pigeon, because this is what wins races, dehydration loses races, and some pot bellied fancier handles your bird pushing it into his stomach because he knows no better. You will observe the white powder or pollen from your birds crop imprinted on his stomach, and also damp patches where it has forced the water out of the pigeons crop. Such a bird subjected to this treatment will never beat mine even if it is twice as good. You will see many a tell tale white mark on the front of pigeon fanciers who were never taught how to handle a bird, such fanciers often can't be advised but someone should be brave enough to bring it to their attention that it is the mark of a bad pigeon handler.

 

Pigeons need to be handled with more care before they are put into the basket, no fancier handles my pigeons that I have found to be lacking in that department. Look at his front posterior on basket nights and you will see whether he meets these requirements. For they do not only do it to your pigeons, they do it to their own.

 

I never got to Brooklyn on my two trips to the USA, where I evaluated pigeons and gave seminars in many parts of your country.

 

Regards,

 

Jack

jackbarkel@mweb.co.za

 

http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/jackbarkel

 

 

 

[Jack Barkel]

Hello All,

 

Sorry for the repetition, it keeps telling me there is somthing wrong with the server and to contact the administrator.

 

I do not know if the fault lies at my end or at Pigeon Basics.

 

My apologies,

 

Jack

[bewted]

no apoligy needed jack,not your fault,,,,,,modern technology,eh?  ted

[bewted]

hi jack,the blue hue in pearl eye,if thats right,,,,can you explain further,i think i have one,but,as i said only think! i am 50/50 on is it or isnt it,,,,thanks ted

[MsPigeon]

Thank You Jack,

We have watched your tape several times over the past few days, it explains a lot. We very much enjoyed then basketing our racing cocks and breeding cocks and discussing and rating their eyes and comparing that to race and breeding records. What a way to spend the fourth of July eh! only a pigeon fancier... We will do the hens next, but we made some interesting discoveries. We still have lots to learn...

Yes, I understand and have observed rough handlers, some are so grabby, but I didn't realize about holding the bird against ones stomach and I am guilty myself. But no more, and I will point it out to others at shipping too. I'm brave, I'm a woman pigeon flyer!!  ;D I doubt you would ever find your way to my Brooklyn, it is not Brooklyn  NY, it is Brooklyn Washington, on the west coast and out in the boonies. But if you ever get near, I would very much enjoy meeting you and hearing your seminar.

Yours in the Sport

Carol

[Guest]

With a bit of good luck, Jack and his wife Margaret will be visiting the Oregon Boonies sometime next year, please consider this an open invitation if the visit happens

[MsPigeon]

Wonderful!!!! Would love to...

Thanks

[birdman55678]

Linda do you know about when Jack will be here.  Thanks. Ed

[Guest]

No idea at the moment Ed, if I hear anything positive I will let you know immediately

[bewted]

hi jack,re;my pearl eyed cock,,,,this cock and his mate have just hatched,well 5-6 day old chick now,the wierdest chick i see,no yellow down,but,tinted yellow all over the skin and big broad head and beak i ever seen for yb,,,,,anything new to get excited/worry about,,,,regards   ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

Nothing to worry about at all, you will find it is a dilute, most common ones are Silver Dunn's, from Blues and Blue Cheques or Browns from Ash Reds. Old hand used to refer to them as PINK UNS.

 

Dr Rigg of Parbold,  bred some dilute Silver Cocks from his Barker family that were deadly in the races, hold thumbs you could have something special.

 

Regards

Jack

 

[bewted]

thanks jack,i have seen PINK UNS before,but,never before a YELLOW UN,its head reminds me of a bald headed vulture without a hooked beak,,,,regards   ted

[bewted]

hi jack,hope your ok? eye ceres,some of my ybs have ivory coloured ones,others have like pale colour,does this count for anything or just natural?  regards  ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

Most shades of eye ceres are family traits, however if they have a yellow cheezy look about them, it is a sign of poor health in that particular bird.

 

Regards

Jack

[sportagraphs]

Eyesign the mystery for years. When I was younger I took a real interest in eyesign (and still do although I dont race anymore). I spent my youth looking into the eyes of all the local champions and winners etc. Many years ago I was asked to go round to a local fanciers loft and have a look at his birds and using eyesign give an appraisal. I went through his loft and gave an honest opinion of each and every bird based on the knowledge I had gained. At the end he gave me an unrung hen and said she had just dropped in and what did I think before he got rid. I told him there and then that I would take the hen as i believed she would found a loft of winners and should not be got rid of. He smiled put £20 in my pocket and told me that I had just picked out a top breeding busschaert hen that he had purchased, she had bred winners in nearly every nest. The moral of this story is that yes eyesign does play a part in racing pigeons but only a small part (and mainly for breeding).

 

Substitute pigeon for footballer. A footballer who in training and practice matches shows the skills and atributes to be a world beater, BUT when it comes down to real competative games is hopeless or injured. Now imagine a bird with a top racing eye BUT no heart for the race home this is what I mean. The eye only tells you what a bird can do if its got the willpower and motivation to do it.

 

Also rememeber that if you look into the eyes of your birds daily then you are looking into the gateway to their soul and any changes to the eye will indicate a problem which you will spot in plenty time. Good Luck

[PIGEON_MAN]

SPORTAGRAPHS AND JACK BARKEL,WONDER IF YOU WOULD GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWEAR TO THIS QUESTION,WHICH PAIR OF PIGEONS WOULD YOU SOONER HAVE THE OFFSPRING OFF,A PAIR THAT YOU COUPLED BY THEIR EYES AND KNEW NOTHING ELSE ABOUT OR A PAIR THAT HAD SAY BOTH  WON NATIONAL RACES BUT YOU COULD NOT LOOK AT THEIR EYES.