Dolle Vangeel

[expat1]

Albear or Alan

I do not jump to conclustions. You put the photos of Van der wegens on the post Stuart put the post regards no white flights

I do not need anyone to tell me how good or bad the eyes of pigeons are, not my own anyway.

Plus i do not have a parner, I have a brother Philip and we are the Patrick Bros

No hard feelings on my part, I just try and impart some of my experince on to others who may be interested. It costs us all nothing to do so

expat1

[Guest]

Hi Mr Wicox and Alan

Very nice photos of the line of the Van Der Wegens. not the same as the line of the Oude Dolle of which i supposed this thread was about or i should say Aardens

I replied simply to this thread for the reason that i have raced this Family or from the base of this family now for obout 20 years so i do know a little about them. You are not correct in what you have put down. seeing that  you two you are not interested in what others say and have tried to contradict myself and others, as i guess you race this line of pigeons and are experts on the family or line or strain call it what you will then perhaps you will both give us the facts of the Aardens makeup is and go back to the 1930s to do so i for one will be very interested to read it and if you make a mistake i can put you right again which will further the knowledge of you both

P.S There are a lot of White flights in the Van Der Wegens always have been. And if you two do not know White is recessive as i have already stated and can come to the fore or dissapear then return or maybe not, but i guess that is one thing you are not aware of

these forums are not about contradicing others but the helping each other gain knowledge of our sport. I for one can learn a lot and have some fun along the way and i have been in the sport for over 50 plus years.

expat1

 

Steve if you read above you say 'you two are not interested in what others say'............Steve i reiterate I had not made a single comment on this thread about anything you or anyone had said. And I am not suggesting you should take any notice of what i think about the eye

My very best wishes

Alan

[expat1]

Albear. You have some kind of Confidence in the eye as regards picking out pigeons That is your way, and good luck to you But you know my thoughts on the subject from long past and you also know i am not interested in the way you are.

 

I think i know a little about pigeons overall After over 50 years in the sport i would be a right 'Thicko' if i did not

My methods of selection have stood me in good stead all my pigeon life which is a long one and done me proud along the way, and still will until i call it a day

I did not come onto this forum to argue and start on a subject that really holds no interest to me and that is the Eye and its qualities regards breeding and racing No interest in that at all now. I did some 20 plus years ago but not now

When you can put down concrete results at the highest level of racing for many years yourself then perhaps some will listen, More so some may listen now, but not myself on that subject as it has no interest for me. This thread was about the Aarden line and that is all i want to talk about,

expat1 Steve

[gangster]

now lets get back to the subject, ive a question  who would you say has been most influential in keeping the aarden strain to the fore as in racing/breeding...over to you............................

[expat1]

Hi Ganster

A difficult question to really get a proper answer too. There are many who keep Aarden based pigeons and have other lines within the family used to strenthen the blood, There are many who just purchase the aarden Blood as near to the base they can and just Breed to sell.

For ourselves we have kept the line intact for some years I suppose i have owned four G,Children of the Oude Dolle 67 one from the Dolle 2. I have had two children of the Famous Favoriet whos along with the son of Dolle 2 was the base of our family now. But i soon realised the potential of our base stock but also the need to bring in a little fresh blood to bring out those quailies to the best and to that end the Van Der Wegen through the Oude Doffertje 1 son of the Oude Doffertje 58. Last Winter i managed again to get an old Breeding hen of the same lines a daughter of the Doffertje 244 sire of 1st -2nd -3rd -4th -4th -7th -7th -10th etc in Dutch Lng Distance Races to bring in again. I only got single eggs from her she being bred in 1996, but we got four single young birds

But we have to consider the Age of the children of the  Foundation pigeons and they are all finished, So i hope we have created in a way a line which is full of the Aarden and i suppose the van der wegen line which is still winning and i know the best is yet to come But now we call it our family having developed it now for 20 years of strict testing and elimination, There are many fanciers in Holland with the bloodlines as well as the Wegen line but over there they do not put the importance on a strain name if it can be called that but more so on what it does in racing and breeding and rightly so, But as every fanciers pigeons start from some base that is why we are talking about them. There is no Pure this or that, Fanciers today build up a team of pigeons if they win out of turn in the competition they are competing at and become recognized by other fanciers then they call those pigeons by there own family name and this has gone on since the pigeon sport started and that is what we have done but the common Base is Aarden but we call it the Patrick family or strain after 20 years i think we have a right to do so. There is a great difference in strain names and  the Breeding side

We ourselves sometimes pair very close Brother + sister at times then bring in a branch of the family removed a fair way to put in the the progeny of the brother + Sister mating this produced the first national Section winner  of this family by doing this and three brothers bred this way turned out to be outstanding breeders for us and others who had them, then of course you can bring in a complete cross But if you have a family line bred for years i would make that cross from another line bred family from a fancier who has worked his breeding the similar way that you had yourself, I hope i have put it in a way you can understand

I have still not answered your question as it is hard to do so or to pick out any one fancier, but i hope the above does in a way help

expat1

[gangster]

there we go this is what i was looking for good reply.........

[swilcox]

The pigeon i placed on the website the Lightenberg Doffer is 100% Jan Aarden and his pedigree contains direct Aardens which were obtained by Anton from his close neighbour Jan Arden!!!!!!

 

Stuart