yellow mealy

[Guest Freebird]

Very interesting thread this, although must admit it lost me a while ago, lol! Doesn't take much!

 

Can anyone enlighten me please, if breeding for particular recessive colour, will this detract in anyway the racing and / or homing ability in the birds produced through this?

 

All the best

 

Dave

Dilute youngsters don't have much down and are said to be a bit more delicate as youngsters but don't know if it would weaken them as racers. Suppose like anything if the parents have the right genes to breed winners and are dilute then surely they will produce dilute winners. Be good to here what everyone else thinks, esp those who race dilutes.

 

 

[Michael J Burden]

Trevor Glover had them and raced them to 700miles and they won at that distance.

The reason I believe why they are in the minority even more so are that fanciers go for the in strain. If that in strain is lacking in none blue birds then they are noticable by their absence.

 

I know that grizzles for instance are amking a comeback, if someone gets a few top results with a reconized breed then they will get even more popular.

 

In the club where I send the only none blue birds belong to me ;D

 

The trouble with breeding recessive birds together to get a cock of that colur can be the lack of racing selection and obviously that means sometimes poor racers in place of colour

[Guest]

Thanks for the response Freebird and good post Michael.

 

Wih you having these colours Michael, have you personally bred for the colour, and if so, did you find any sort of weakness in their racing ability?

 

Dave

[Michael J Burden]

I have had them and good ones of any colour are hard to find. They looked well and flew as good or as bad as the next bird. I had a silver yearling do the Tarbes in 2007, it was a faster race but some of my other entrants failed to get home.

 

I think if you have a stock loft and you breed one from proven stock to keep that gene alive in your gene pool the stock loft is a good place to put it. If I had a stock loft I would put them in one. If you mix up some of the rarer genes you can get some very fancy looking birds. Mealies with white bars which I am trying for next year. On race day though I am intersted in seeing the first bird home and colour does not figure in it. I do however have more reds than blues and next year will give my blues in the main to a friend so year on year will have no blues or cheqs.

[Guest]

If by giving your blues and cheqs away leaving yourself with only reds, do you not fear losing vitality by pairing red to red over and over? Or would it make no difference if the birds are crosses, not from the same bloodline as each other, ie; Barker x Theelan, etc? I'm sincerely interested, as this is the point with my breeding for colour question. After numerous years, would the red genetic eventually turn totally blood red, or would it start to fade and reproduce the recessive colours, ie; chocolate, yellow, silver, etc?

 

It would be interesting to see your mealies with white bars if could ge a photo aswell by the way! I've had white birds with red bars, but those particular ones I had were not up to north east racing! Paid top dollar for them aswell, but they ended up in the garden!

[pjc]

I would love to see a pic of a white bared mealy.

I also wonder if the lack of coloured birds is also the result of people putting them straight in the stock loft and not giving them a chance thinking they must be something special!

 

 

Phil

[OLDYELLOW]

my old yellow cock won 2nd Bourge as a yearling 1st Bourge 512 miles as a 2 year old and was 2 x  6th clermont 360 miles  beaten by loft mates  2 x 6th Jouey le Chatel 420 miles

[steve]

my old yellow cock won 2nd Bourge as a yearling 1st Bourge 512 miles as a 2 year old and was 2 x  6th clermont 360 miles  beaten by loft mates  2 x 6th Jouey le Chatel 420 miles

 

 

nice flying oldyellow

do you still have the same lines as this old yellow cock in your lofts today.

 

[OLDYELLOW]

one son 2 hens grandaughters and great grands   2 cocks in race team are grandsons of old yelllow

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

Forgot to add, MB, thats a cracking hen by the way! A real beauty!  

 

thanks, shes a beauty,  and she flew really well, and she has the bloodlines to win, but you see the problem with her was, that she was owned by a new guy,

who was in his first year of racing, and he won one race, but that was it, he was new and still is., but there is no way that guy could have won with this or any bird.

the only race he won was 600 miler, when about 4 of the best guys took the weekend off,

and he won that race with a daughter off my white cock,

but this hen could have done great, but his whole loft is 14ft by 8ft big, he had to get rid off a lot of birds, and he did, he has to give away a.lot of birds to make room every year,  in his 3rd year of flying hes doing not too bad, with about 4 wins, and all his wins are birds off my white cocks, im happy for him,

but i love this yellow hen, and i will do my best to make sure and try and get some more of this color.

 

and BTW.  you may never have heard of this city, but about 600 miles east form here is a city called Thunder bay,

this is not a bad big city, but it has a lot of flyers, and theirs one guy who flys silvers and flyes really well with them. he wins a lot, but in that

city they can only have 40 pigeons, which sucks, but what ever,

he wins alot, and one of the loacl guys here who only buys the best birds in north America, ordered some of t0se silvers, and

if he buys them they have to be REALLY good.

he also just flew in 7 pure blacks this spring, and racing well with them.

:)

sorry for long reply, this is so not like me!  

 

 

[Michael J Burden]

If by giving your blues and cheqs away leaving yourself with only reds, do you not fear losing vitality by pairing red to red over and over? Or would it make no difference if the birds are crosses, not from the same bloodline as each other, ie; Barker x Theelan, etc? I'm sincerely interested, as this is the point with my breeding for colour question. After numerous years, would the red genetic eventually turn totally blood red, or would it start to fade and reproduce the recessive colours, ie; chocolate, yellow, silver, etc?

 

It would be interesting to see your mealies with white bars if could ge a photo aswell by the way! I've had white birds with red bars, but those particular ones I had were not up to north east racing! Paid top dollar for them aswell, but they ended up in the garden!

 

I look at the JAM THELEEN birds and the majority seem to be reds. I have not yet seen any website or article of their birds etcbut it appears reds are being being paired to reds in all the lofts where I have seen them.

 

Those recessive traits which you mention are if there generally hidden because they are recessive. By pairing 2 birds together who both carry them then the ybs can become that odd colour, inbreeding usually does bring it out if there.

Sorry if I am teaching you to suck eggs.

 

[OLDYELLOW]

I am a lover of the red colouring but i like the darker shades of red so i cross the reds with blacks / dark checkers but not velvets as the later breeds reds and barless mealys

[Michael J Burden]

This is what I am likely to get next year.

[Michael J Burden]

Mealy white bar. Not a very good picture.

[OLDYELLOW]

i think your more likely to get strawberry mealys first

[Michael J Burden]

Found it a much better picture of a different bird.

[Michael J Burden]

i think your more likely to get strawberry mealys first

 

It will be a Indigo coloured bird, looks like red but is not crossed with a dominant opal.

 

 

 

 

[Michael J Burden]

my old yellow cock won 2nd Bourge as a yearling 1st Bourge 512 miles as a 2 year old and was 2 x  6th clermont 360 miles  beaten by loft mates  2 x 6th Jouey le Chatel 420 miles

 

Forgot to say, nice one. Have you a photo?

[OLDYELLOW]

i have one photo of this cock but it is very bad quality done on a normal camera , ill dig out my photos and scan them later

[OLDYELLOW]

picture of Old Yellow

[Glassfeather]

Those "White barred mealies" are Dominant Opal pigeons. This is an autosomal dominant gene symbolised (Od) and it is lethal, two Dominant opals paired together will produce a % of non-viable young. Dominant Opal is responsible for some beautiful colourations in fancy pigeons, such as "Isabel":

 

 

 

 

[Michael J Burden]

Glassfeather thanx for the pictures.

 

Can you tell me what other colour/gene was used to ceate the white bar, ie dominant opal crossed with.....................

[Glassfeather]

Hi Michael,

 

The expression od Dominant opal is extremely variable, some will show a clear white bar, others more reddish as in the photo above. It is a case of using clear blues, and not those showing any bronzing. or combining it with the spread factor. There are other modifiers responsible for white bars such as Toy stencil as seen in white bar and argent Modenas, as well as the German toy varieties. Toy stencil has a different mode of inheritance to Od, and comprises a group of three polygenes: Ts1, Ts2 & Ts3. Then there is Frill stencil as seen in the oriental frills, which also produces lacing in the primary and tail feathers.

 

 

 

[Guest]

 

thanks, shes a beauty,  and she flew really well, and she has the bloodlines to win, but you see the problem with her was, that she was owned by a new guy,

who was in his first year of racing, and he won one race, but that was it, he was new and still is., but there is no way that guy could have won with this or any bird.

the only race he won was 600 miler, when about 4 of the best guys took the weekend off,

and he won that race with a daughter off my white cock,

but this hen could have done great, but his whole loft is 14ft by 8ft big, he had to get rid off a lot of birds, and he did, he has to give away a.lot of birds to make room every year,  in his 3rd year of flying hes doing not too bad, with about 4 wins, and all his wins are birds off my white cocks, im happy for him,

but i love this yellow hen, and i will do my best to make sure and try and get some more of this color.

 

and BTW.  you may never have heard of this city, but about 600 miles east form here is a city called Thunder bay,

this is not a bad big city, but it has a lot of flyers, and theirs one guy who flys silvers and flyes really well with them. he wins a lot, but in that

city they can only have 40 pigeons, which sucks, but what ever,

he wins alot, and one of the loacl guys here who only buys the best birds in north America, ordered some of t0se silvers, and

if he buys them they have to be REALLY good.

he also just flew in 7 pure blacks this spring, and racing well with them.

:)

sorry for long reply, this is so not like me!  

 

 

LOL, no probs with the reply MB, i could talk all night and all day about pigeons! I think we all could, pmsl!  ;D

If you'd have been living and racing in England, i would of tried to buy that hen from you! She really is a beauty! You are a lucky man MB, good luck with her! It would be interesting to hear how you get on with her and her offspring aswell, please keep us updated!

 

Dave

[ChrisMaidment08]

wait till weekend i willl post my colours on here and if you want to buy some 100quid each i have blue brown  white pink yellow orange