de bourgmans

[Guest pigeon82]

can anyone tell me much about the de bourgman strain never heard of them till i got sent a few off mate but he did tell me wat the grandmother done just wondering if ne1 else could tell me about the strain

[gangster]

could they be borgmans if so nephews of jos van limpt (de-klak)...the no1 source for klaks birds..

[Guest pigeon82]

yeah probably is im just going off wat was i was told wudnt know how the breed is spelt but yeah he did tell me de klaks the grandmother raced 650 and 720 mile races and topped sections and opens he said just wondering if these birds are specifically for distance or all rounders or if ne 1 uses them there selves these are my de borgmans

[Guest slugmonkey]

Could be Erik Borkemans who is flying Marsallis birds at the distance

[OLDYELLOW]

Kirky had a De Klack flew 420 miles from Lerwick

[kirky]

Kirky had a De Klack flew 420 miles from Lerwick

ya correct oldyellow and he did have borgman in his pedigree, 3rd thurso 4th thurso returned from lerwick on winning day shot in a bad way did not have the heart to take his rubber off just left him to heal put to stock.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

ya correct oldyellow and he did have borgman in his pedigree, 3rd thurso 4th thurso returned from lerwick on winning day shot in a bad way did not have the heart to take his rubber off just left him to heal put to stock.

 

 

i have a lovely tic eyed chequer out of that cock when paired him to a Van Braune hen

[maxwell]

The Wonder Van Bergen  won 1st Nat Dax & 3rd National St Vincent in same year she came through Verbart 46 Klak.

[Guest]

Marcel Borgman from Tornout, (think I have spelt that correct) sold his pigeons in the late 1970's. His family was based on the direct Janssen Bros birds crossed with Louis Van Loon of Popel, I actually had a cock from that auction. One of the princable buyers was Maurice Casaert of Nechin. The top pigeon was named the Plezante a winner of 7 x 1st He was purchased by Paul Haelterman for whom he became a Super Breeder sire of Jonge Plezante 8 x 1sts, Blue Plezante, the Plezante hen etc. The Plezante hen came to me and she bred the 1st Open London North Rd Combine winner in 1988 for Graham White. I still have the Gold Medal in my archives today. She was also the mother of one of my best Captain Paul 15 x 1sts amongst others. The last son from the Plezante I gave to Paul & Steven Gregg in Belfast. The Plezante was later sold to Jean Claude Debeave and bred him at least 2 x 1st National winners. I still have 2 g.dtr of the Plezante in my breeding loft. The Plezante was born in 1973

[kirky]

 

i have a lovely tic eyed chequer out of that cock when paired him to a Van Braune hen

I let him go resently to a fancier in scotland the lad that did well with yb hope he looks after him he is a good honist bird.

 

 

[gangster]

they look like borgman bros

[maxwell]

The Wonder Van Bergen  won 1st Nat Dax & 3rd National St Vincent in same year she came through Verbart 46 Klak.

[Guest pigeon82]

the bloke that bred these are from the cleethorpes grimsby area

[Paul woolliss]

Hi Pigeon 82,

 

 

                  Think i can help you on this one, The G/Mother in question was raced by Marco Wilson of Cleethorpes a good friend of mine, She won 1st section Dax in the N.F.C. and scored in the open result and the International Hens result.The distance was about 680 miles.

 

Marco had the Bourgmans De/Klak pigeons, if that name does not sound correct it would have been Carl Young of Young and Gladding who had the mother of Marcos,, klak hen, i handled both the mother and the hen that scored at Dax both superb specimens with super

eye/sign.Those cheqs in your pictures show a remarkable resemblance to the Dax hen.

[Guest]

;)interesting thread ,good detail , i hope they fly well for you .    andy.

[Paul woolliss]

     Just checked my records,

 

                                        The race was in 2004 and the distance was 657 miles to be exact

     The Bourgman hen was 22nd open n.f.c Dax 1st sec K Dax vel 847 hope this helps and ties in with the info you have cheers Paul.

[Guest pigeon82]

thankyou very much paul dunno what the blokes name was but he gifted a couple of youngsters to my freind who bred these for me but thanks for the information are these birds ne gud at shorter distancces or more long distance birds

[pjc]

I would go for Borgman bros, de klak pigeons, and a very good allround family.

 

Phil

[Paul woolliss]

 

As Phil says,

 

                  Borgmans good all round family in fact in my opinion not a long distance family at all. but very good at sprint but i would say they like middle/distance too, but as in all strains you never no there capabilitys till you test them, and the above hen cut it with the best in Europe at Long/ distance.

[Guest pigeon82]

thanks i just hope they breed sum gud uns as im only starting to race next year 2009 young birds

[OLDYELLOW]

i dont think you could do any wrong with them birds

[Guest pigeon82]

i only have these 4 in my loft at the minute but waiting for me dad to breed me my young for 2009 and all his birds come from adrian hicks in cornwall as he moved to austrailia so ill be getting another 20 or 30 off him cant wait

[Guest pigeon82]

i spoke to my mate it is marco wilson paul thanks for that info dont suppose i ccan go to wrong with these birds then