wnr today

[chichichi]

whats best south road times about 12.59 up till know

 

we won't have a chance in the west today ,, wind wasn't the best,, but we in at 13.50 for 133 miles 971 yards..

 

best of luck to all and fingers crossed for good returns..

 

 

ant

 

[adam owen]

cheers ant how was your returns

[Bugsy]

Why can the WNRF liberate in Epsom at 7.45am when birds directly on the line of flight at Newbury are held until 10.00am. Newbury is 45 miles away and the birds would have been there about 8.45am, what was the weather like at Newbury for the birds to be held ? Not a very good race at all with huge numbers of birds missing and will have a detrimental effect on the fed next year without doubt. Won the club today but big gaps between the birds and the members first birds.

 

John Burgham

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

would be interesting to see if this bird that has been reported here was in todays race at epsom, it so they have ended up in worcester. They certainly came from  the north the birds i saw. The birds i saw coming didnt have a clue where they were either, they were all over the place, could have been caused by dehydration who knows.

 

Well I rang the guy this morning when I got back from training but no answer so left a message but still no reply.

[maxwell]

Simple answer to that question John!!! Its because they are the WNRF and i cant remember it any different to be honest.

[pjc]

Simple answer to that question John!!! Its because they are the WNRF and i cant remember it any different to be honest.

 

I hope you don't mean they do as like they like and sod all others Alun!  ;D ;D ;D

[adam owen]

thats exacly what they do

[Guest Owen]

As long as they can collect the 7:00 regardless of how they perform they are not going to be concerned about the rest of us. Why should they care if a Fancier has lost all his birds or not? The money will still roll in.

How do they expect the new people in the sport to feel. On the one hand we hear that the Sport is dying and needs new blood, and on the other hand there does not seem to be any regard for the losses that go on week after week. New people to the Sport are often devastated by, what must seem to them, as carelessness.

I have just come back from the Club and there were some very disappointed people there tonight. There was non of the usual banter and leg pulling. Just serious faces and down right anger in some cases.

I doubt if anyone would expect smooth races every week, certainly not me, but heavy young bird losses week in and week out is not acceptable in my book.

When you think about the cost of racing pigeons today, the actual birds are carrying a lot of cost on their backs. It is a very considerable investment. Somehow we must get a grip of the race controlling side of this sport or else it will grind to a halt in a short time. I certainly think that flying an East to West route is asking for trouble. And when I look at the route flown by the Welsh South Road Fed it does not inspire confidence. Why would we want to fly our young birds accross the flight path of so many thousands of birds travelling at right angles to our routes? Madness. Total bloody madness.  

[pjc]

Owen, i agree with you but they are to aregunt to change, they want to rule the roost!

If the membership put a proposition to change flying fees to birdage fees would it be the same or would the members be hit with more levy's at the end of the season?

[Guest strapper]

my club had fairly good returns bar one member who has 9 missing from 30+..other have just 1-2 missing.

but other weeks our club has had a slamming.

 

 

club bird reported in nottingham.

[Guest strapper]

when the clubs had paperwork a season or so a go..with different route choices ..we went south with our choice....i believe that this needs to be brought up again and all clubs delegates vote for their club..to which route we take...show of hands.

1st bird in town here was 11.02.

[adam owen]

if we alll flew one route in wales, all the feds in wales flew as one we would have

1- cheeper flying

2- big birdage,so if u do win you not winning with crap birdage u are winning

3-surley the polatics will drop as we are all as one,

 

look at the up north combine big birdage not offten they get bad racing,if we went north it be cheeper than going south as you will do away with ferry fees ect,thats if you want cheeper racing.know you go south you got alot more options ie bicc,classic nat flying club.bbc ect thats where you will make a name aint that what we want .  

[Guest strapper]

if we alll flew one route in wales, all the feds in wales flew as one we would have

1- cheeper flying

2- big birdage,so if u do win you not winning with crap birdage u are winning

3-surley the polatics will drop as we are all as one,

 

look at the up north combine big birdage not offten they get bad racing,if we went north it be cheeper than going south as you will do away with ferry fees ect,thats if you want cheeper racing.know you go south you got alot more options ie bicc,classic nat flying club.bbc ect thats where you will make a name aint that what we want .  

 

adam i couldnt understand the feds route into france...we should have gone direct into france and kept to the west side.

 

i will and others in my club will vote south if it came to it.

[pjc]

Totaly agree with you Adam, i've said it on here before if all feds went together the welsh would hold a lot of power where liberations are concerned.

It would be as it is concerning the UNC, everybody want to know when they are liberating and avoid them, it would be the same, others would want to know when we are liberating and avoiding our birds, also the mas of birds coming into wales would stand a better chance against bop's.

[holmsidelofts]

Owen, i agree with you but they are to aregunt to change, they want to rule the roost!

If the membership put a proposition to change flying fees to birdage fees would it be the same or would the members be hit with more levy's at the end of the season?

 

i dont think it would be the same, the lossages are huge at the moment but doesnt effect the fed at all, they still get there £7 a week regardless. If we were all pay per bird the fed wouldnt be able to survive, and im sure they would think differently about the way they treat the birds, its all about money and nothing else. Theres no communication between race controllers from other feds, they look at the weather and thats it. Theres no reason why on the shorter races that we basket on saturday morning for a saturday afternoon lib, there would be no need for the birds to spend a night in the basket.

I for one have had enough of the east to west route and today was my last race, If my club doesnt go south next year i WILL be resigning and applying to join the south.

 

 

 

[adam owen]

well boys lets not talk the talk lets walk the walk,lets do something bout it if we dnt know then like owen said the sport will die,and unlike you oldies i got few more years of pigeons in me yet ha ha   so lets do something bout it i say ,open to surgestions!!!!!!

[pjc]

you guys in the wnr need to get propositions through your clubs for the agm to change the way birdage is paid but you may end with a levy!

Has the trailer been purchased yet with the last levy or have they spent that money as well?

[pjc]

you guys in the wnr need to get propositions through your clubs for the agm to change the way birdage is paid but you may end with a levy!

Has the trailer been purchased yet with the last levy or have they spent that money as well?

[holmsidelofts]

when the clubs had paperwork a season or so a go..with different route choices ..we went south with our choice....i believe that this needs to be brought up again and all clubs delegates vote for their club..to which route we take...show of hands.

1st bird in town here was 11.02.

 

Hi strapper

the problem with when we voted to go either north or south i personally think it was fixed as there were lots more clubs wanting to change route than the fed made out, they never gave us any figures but told us the majority want to stay, we should have been given a break down of what all the clubs wanted, its easy to tell every one bullshit and we believe it. I really hope that all unhappy clubs take a stance with the fed this year and demand to see the figures not trust them, in fact after all the issues this year they cant be trusted anymore. lets do it for the sake of the birds.

[chichichi]

cheers ant how was your returns

 

sorry for late reply,, we have now had 28 from 29 on east and 16 from 19 on south..

 

best of luck

 

ant

[pjc]

Well done Ant, how was the result?

[chichichi]

Well done Ant, how was the result?

 

phil lady luck was good to us again,, won east clocking 12.42.37 and won south clocking 13.50.51

 

so very happy today..

 

ant

 

 

[pjc]

well done, having another good season!

[Guest strapper]

 

Hi strapper

the problem with when we voted to go either north or south i personally think it was fixed as there were lots more clubs wanting to change route than the fed made out, they never gave us any figures but told us the majority want to stay, we should have been given a break down of what all the clubs wanted, its easy to tell every one bullshit and we believe it. I really hope that all unhappy clubs take a stance with the fed this year and demand to see the figures not trust them, in fact after all the issues this year they cant be trusted anymore. lets do it for the sake of the birds.

 

i believe we need to make our feelings shown and every club(thats wants to change route) needs to wite a letter to the fed about changing the route, im sure they already know of the feeling right now.

i dont blame the transporter guys for the clashing,its the route we fly.

flying north would be easier for me ,but id like to try south if the route was west rather than centre of france,we need to avoid as much traffic as possible ,because right now it must be like london in traffic hour.

[Guest Owen]

Now that the dust is settling after another disappointing day, I will compose a letter to the Fed and to the Club outlining my suggestion to change the route. I put a Notice of Motions to the Club at the last AGM to change the route to the South and it got defeated by one vote. Possibly, after what has happened this year, the mood could have changed. It will only take one or two to make the differance.

Judging from the comments on this Forum, there are a lot of Fanciers fed up with the present situation and as Adam Owen says, "We need to walk the walk now".

In addition to the fact that the Club and the Fed will have to deal with any letter that I send, it may be a good idea if some of us explore other suggestions, such as the laptop idea perhaps, to try to inject a bit more professionalism into the management of our sport.

When I get time, I will work out the cost to get a young pigeon to the first race. I think it is about time that we were all made aware of the sums of money we are dealing with in these modern times.

For my own part, I am not all that concerned about cost at this point in my life, but I am sure that people on fixed incomes must be struggling to justify the expense. Retirement could be just around the corner for me, so I might find the cost of sending my pigeons to be lost by the Cavalier Attitudes of the Fed too much to bear in the future. So, I will try to help in finding the solutions now.

I am a very small fancier, in as much as I only want to race 12 cocks and about 20 young birds. Providing that the quality of my birds is good enough this should be enough to compete all the season. I appreciate that it is everybody's business to decide what they want to do, but I do think we should now consider putting birdage limits on the Clubs. The practice of rearing large numbers of birds, which are literally thrown away, do great damage to the running of the sport. The Managers of our sport are not placed under enough pressure to take the best of care of the birds. They act as if it does not matter all that much if returns are poor. Next week there will be another lot entered because there plenty left in the lofts.

Finally, myself and others have criticised the Welsh North Road Federation, and in my view they deserve it, but they have been subjected to the incompetance of other Feds. I am sure that there is little or no attempt by some of them to communicate at the point of liberation. Clashing is enevitable under these conditions. So, in effect, my comments can be directed at a lot more than just the Welsh Federations. In short, going back to Adam Owen again, there will not be a sport for the younger people amongst us if we don't wake up and sort these things out.