URGENT TO ALL PIGEON FANCIERS

[westburylofts]

 

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[jimmy white]

i for one will be taking part in the bird watch  [not that theres many to see, but theres a sparrow hawk visits regular, ill try and get a photo, my brother managed it with his canaries ,photos on forum] making enemies out the rspb is not the way forward, they will only laugh at us squabling, there has to be better ways

[snowy]

totally agree, i am still taking part, but just  NO song birds where spotted

[Pompey Mick]

we need to prove that the RSPB is creating an unnatural situation with their policy of introducing birds of prey into the enviroment. One way of demonstrating the imbalance they have caused is by using their own population figures and comparing todays ratio of birds of prey to their natural food source to the ratios in pre-war years. It will become clear that their activities have produced an over kill and that the numbers of hawks and falcons they are supporting will wipe out the natural food sources and must kill the domesticated pigeon to survive. Without the racing pigeon the peregrine especially would struggle to survive.

So the bird census could give some valuable ammunition in our fight against the promotion of hawk species by the RSPB and may well give RSPB members some doubt about this policy.( I hardly see a sparrow now since a sparrowhawk has moved into my part of the city.)

[Guest]

Mick,Jimmy and Snowy, pigeon flyers have been reporting losses of both Song birds and racing stock for years now, and to put it bluntly they don't give a fishes t=t, if you told them that you had seen 12 hawks wipe out 24 song birds or pigeons, they would be giving each other high fives.

 

BEEN THERE DONE IT WORN THE T SHIRT OUT

[Guest]

lol

[jimmy white]

i realise what your saying hyacinth, but what do you do, ??? sit and watch them terrify your birds , shoot them then go to jail, no i beleive we have to keep on trying , the legal way. i know its like f,,ting against thunder ;D but we must keep at it.,, an opening will come one day

[Guest]

Has anyone ever thought of taking the RSPB to the small claims court for the loss of a bird, I was thinking about it before I left England.

 

Cheers

[jimmy white]

I TOOK PART IN THE RSPB BIRD WATCH,NOTHING TO DO WITH PIGEONS, OR RATHER ALL BIRDS INCLUDING PIGEONS, I VISITED MY LOCAL NATURE RESERVE, 5 MINS FROM MY HOME, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I NEVER SEEN ONE SONG BIRD , NEVER HEARD ONE CHEEP, FOUND THE OLD CARCASS OF A PIGEON, THAT WAS ABOUT THAT, PHOTOS SHOULD BE ON HAWKS  POST SHORTLY, THANKS TO SPEIGHT, I SHALL BE MAKING SERIOUS ENQUIRIES IN TO THE COUNCIL AS YOULL SEE THEIR ADVERT PROMISED ME I WOULD SEE ALL SORTS OF BIRDS. IKNOW THE AREA BETTER THAN MOST, AND REGULARLY VISIT IT, AND HAVE SEEN THE HAWKS, I SHALL SEE THE COUNCIL AND RSPB TO SEE IF THEYLL CHANGE THERE MISLEADING SIGN, OR LET ME KNOW WHY I CAN NEVER SEE ANY SONGBIRDS NOW. I USED TO GO BIRD NESTING THERE AS A BOY, IT WAS A HAVEN FOR SONGBIRDS,,,,,BUT NOT NOW, ITS AS DEAD AS A DODO

[Guest]

Jimmy's pictures is on the Bird of Prey's topic.

 

http://www.pigeonbasics.com/forum/blah/m-1127470176/s-new/

 

Your welcome, Jimmy.

[THE FIFER]

I have never seen a THRUSH for ages and they used to be about as many as black birds (which are also on the decline) here its the carrion crows that take them from t5he nests u cannot keap a nest in ur garden for any length of time as they are gone, crows are another bird which is getting well OVER populated, and are in ur back gardens and taking over the beaches.

[Guest]

I was talking to my dad the other day about the decrease in birds because of hawks, and he said are you having a F--king laugh there all in his garden. And looking in the garden he was right, his garden was full of sparrows, pigeons, a robin, black-birds etc and he also has a local Sparrow hawk. Looking at his garden and the surrounding garden they all had conifers running along the back and my dads has an ivy on the wall were the spuggies seem to roost in on a night. Looking at the modern housing, due to trying to get maximum profit they are building houses with very small gardens, so they give very little scope for bird life. Dont get me wrong, I hate hawks, just thought this would be an interesting point.

[tam pepper]

hi read this ,  fro m the songbird  survival group ,    one kestrel managed to destroy almost a years new stock of several hundred little tern chicks on the beach at yarmouth this summer .

the rspbthought this colony of 200pairs of comparatively little terns  important enough to mount an expensive operation from land based predators but could do little  about a protected raptor. the kestrel did not die , of course , when it ran out of chicks .but no doubt moved on to something else,    the loonies have taken over the asylum

                                   tam pepper

[tam pepper]

 

                             songbird survival group

 

 

              this organization broke away from the rspb , as they did not agree with the raptor policy

[jimmy white]

whats the answer tam  [legally]

[perk]

i,ve got all kinds of song and other birds around me, plus red kite,buzzered a cock sparrow hawk,(had one of my birds two days ago)

[jimmy white]

LOOKING AT THE WORSE  SCENARIO, ABOUT BIRD FLU ON T,V THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ,IF IT DID APPEAR IN UK, THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE CULL OF FOWL AND SUCH LIKE, I TAKE IT THAT WOULD BE WATER FOWL AS WELL, AS MIGRATORY BIRDS THAT BREED HERE, SURELY THERE WOULD BE MORE DANGER WITH THE HAWKS CARRYING THIS DESEASE, AS THEY ARE COMMING IN TO CONTACT WITH, AND KILLING AND EATING ,POSSIBLY DESEASED BIRDS, THEREFORE WOULD IT NOT BE FAIR TO CULL THESE AS WELL,,, JUST A THOUGHT

[jimmy white]

LOOKING BACK AT HYACINTHS POST, IS THERE ANY LAWYER OUT THERE , THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US IF WE COULD TAKE THE RSPB, TO THE SMALL CLAIMS COURT,,IF THERE WAS PROOF THAT THE HAWK KILLED YOUR BIRD???

[jimmy white]

I SEE YOU CAN INSURE PETS IF SO, SURELY WE COULD INSURE OUR PIGEONS. TO MY MIND THE INSURERS WOULD GET INFO FROM THE RSPB, AS TO WHAT RISK THE HAWKS POSE, AND IM PRETTY SURE THE RSPB WOLD INFORM THEM THAT THERE WOULD BE LITTLE OR NO RISK, WELL IF THAT WAS THE CASE AND THERE WERE PLENTY OF CLAIMS,[ WHICH THERE WOULD BE] THEY WOULD UP THE PREMIUM, THUS PROOVING THE RSPB WRONG,,, JUST A THOUGHT.

[jimmy white]

I TOOK HUNDREDS OF RINGS TO THE SHU A FEW YEARS AGO, ALONG WITH THE LETTERS FROM THE GAMEKEEPERS THAT FOUND THEM , AT THE PERIGRINES SITES NESTS] , THESE RINGS [,ACCORDING TO THE GAMEKEEPERS LETTERS] WERE PICKED UP #.AFTER #THE RSPB CLEARED THE NESTS OF PIGEON RINGS,# THESE RINGS WERE FOUND AT MANY DIFFERANT PLACES COVERING THE NORTH OF ENGLAND AND THE SOUTH OF SCOTLAND, THER HAVE BEEN MANY PEOPLE CONVICTED OF STEALING EGGS AND CHICKS, THAT WERE VIDEOD BY THE RSPB, COULD THE SHOE BE PUT ON THE OTHER FOOT, IF THESE RSPB MEN WERE FILMED STEALING OUR PIGEON RINGS , COULD THEY BE CHARGED???

[Guest]

Reckon that would be one of the longer term 'benefits' of a GPS chip ID ring, Jimmy, should the bird be unfortunate enough to fall victim to a hawk, owners would know the location, and if it were a nesting site, we would have proof of numbers that (1) couldn't be argued against and (2) form evidence that would stand up in court. It would put an end to 'big brother RSPB' being able to dispute everything out-of-hand that pigeon people say,,  without a shred of proof to support their counter-claim..

 

Your pictures of the local wildlife reserve without wild birds is the single best bet for good publicity for songbirds under threat that I have seen in years. Hope you progress it with the local council AND the local press, and good luck with that.

 

And yours and other posts on Instinct SET ME WONDERING if our birds also have the inbuilt capacity to evade / outwit hawks?  Have seen encounters here where the pigeons maintain same height or get above the hawk and even seem to stay within spitting distance of it, to evade attack. Pigeons are decendants of blue rock dove, which inhabited rocky cliff tops for eons .... with peregrines as neighbours and an ever present danger. Hopes then in that quarter too?????

 

  

[Guest shadow]

Sat at the weekend looking in the garden saw a grand total of 4 sparrows 2 blackbirds and a sparrow hawk visited 5 times but wen away empty handed, as I do not let the birds out until the squeakers are feathered.

[snowy]

Reckon that would be one of the longer term 'benefits' of a GPS chip ID ring, Jimmy, should the bird be unfortunate enough to fall victim to a hawk, owners would know the location, and if it were a nesting site, we would have proof of numbers that (1) couldn't be argued against and (2) form evidence that would stand up in court. It would put an end to 'big brother RSPB' being able to dispute everything out-of-hand that pigeon people say,,  without a shred of proof to support their counter-claim..

 

Your pictures of the local wildlife reserve without wild birds is the single best bet for good publicity for songbirds under threat that I have seen in years. Hope you progress it with the local council AND the local press, and good luck with that.

 

And yours and other posts on Instinct SET ME WONDERING if our birds also have the inbuilt capacity to evade / outwit hawks?  Have seen encounters here where the pigeons maintain same height or get above the hawk and even seem to stay within spitting distance of it, to evade attack. Pigeons are decendants of blue rock dove, which inhabited rocky cliff tops for eons .... with peregrines as neighbours and an ever present danger. Hopes then in that quarter too?????

 

  

 

the hawk that attacked mine (which had a bad wing) from a very short distance out flew the hawk by weaving left to right, up & down. it was amazing to see, i was just so shocked, as the pigeons was on loft roof, then out of tree behind loft, flew the hawk, a maximum distance of 25 metres from loft roof to my back door, he grabbed a handfull of feathers, but to watch the pigeon dodge from left to right, up & under was now looking at it amazing, so it must be some kind of instinct.

 

[speedbird]

must of released 2by me in yorkshire as been 4 pigeon attaacks this week alone mine being 1of em it grabbed one & when i heard the birds bash up it was there stood over the bird & about to start eating it! untill i shouted & scared it off anyone got any tips to keep it away!!!!!

[Peckedhen]

Before I joined this forum I had no idea about the increasing numbers of raptors, nor did I know that hawks eat birds whilst they are still alive. :o.

 

I just today received mail from the RSPB asking me join  to SOS - Save Our Songbirds. The decline in birds is put down to changes in the way the countryside is farmed.  

 

I have sent them an email explaining what I think is contributing to the decline of songbirds and asking for their comments.  It is very easy to send an email.

 

The 'Contact Us' link is at the very bottom of the page:

 

http://www.rspb.org.uk/