shaking head and spinning

[symbro]

so i have a baby whose head shakes when he is nervous and he runs in circles when he is scared.  also when introduced to a new enviroment.  now a second baby, in nest, from the same parents is showing the shaking head.  i have seperated the two parents and am trying to set them up with other breeders.  both of these birds are really good racers... i am wondering if they are too closely related or if this is a genetic disease i have in my loft.  another possiblity is the heat.  during the high of the day my loft is around 95degrees.  

 

any ideas?

[Chatrace]

are they having trouble picking up seeds and kinda walking side ways

[symbro]

nope... he should start flying this week... might see something new then.

[Guest]

Is he twisting his head round to the back ?????

[Guest slugmonkey]

The temp shouldnt affect them unless dehydrated

[symbro]

no stargazing

[Guest]

Symbro,  I'm not trying to be smart I was looking for an answer, your birds could possibly have PMV, and turning their heads backwards is a symptom

[jimmy white]

pmv or paratyphoid, more like pmv.

[Guest]

Picked up a useful pointer to tell if its PMV from a DEFRA vet, published in the BHW: Guy had 'neck & head twisting' but thought he was dealing with paratyphoid

 

Stand close to the bird and point a finger at the wattle. Then slowly scribe a circle with this finger.  If the bird has PMV, the bird's head will follow your finger.

[square_peg]

IF IT PMV

PUT BIRD IN A NEST BOX  IT CAN EAT AND DRINK OK

 

LET THE BIRD OUT IN THE SUNLIGHT ,IF ITS PMV,IT ONLY TAKES SECONDS TO CONFIRM IT ,THEN THE BIRD IS HISTORY

[symbro]

i didnt think you were being smart

i am just saying it isnt stargazing so i didnt think it was pmv

 

i am thinking it is a genetic thing

[Pompey Mick]

Only you will know if you are breeding too close but I have known in my own small club at least two cases of serious inbreeding causing defective youngsters with physical and mental deficiences so if you are confident of the health of your pigeons then inbreeding is a possibility for this problem.

[Bad Trapper]

Club member had the stargazing last year, turned out to be paratyphoid

[THE FIFER]

GET AN EXPERIENCED FANCIER FROM UR CLUB TO LOOK AT THE BIRD AND TAKE HIS ADVICE,

[schouwman71]

if it is genetical and is bothering you too much i would put a cross in or get rid.

[jimmy white]

hi symbro, could you possibly let us know the outcome of the two ybs,,wish you well j,w

[tony99]

take it to a  pigeon vet