Inbreeding/Line Breeding

[JohnS]

i am interested in peoples views and experiences of the subject mentioned. every one will ahve opinions on breeding eg first cross, best to the best etc etc, what im interested is in peoples experience of inbreeding and linebreeding!!  and special performances from such matings. what is peoples favourite pairings? there r many combinations but peoples experiences are something novice fanciers cant buy!

[Wiley]

father to daughter,mother to son matings found exceptional pigeons from, but im a big believer in crosses

[velo99]

The fore mentioned matings are good as well as grandaughter on the cock.

The best matings come from the female progeny onto the stud cock.

 

Make sure you breed based on performance for performace breeds. Breeding for color in a performance bird is a sure way to crash your program.

JMHO

[birdman55678]

The question that actually needs to be asked is to define in-breeding and line breeding.  There are many that do not understand one from the other.  I am probably one of them.  My defination would be Line Breeding is one cock on related hens where as in breeding would be between any related bird, i.e.  brother/sister/aunt, etc.  This is my thinking anyway.  What does everyone else think.  Ed

[mac1]

hi guys so you can put father to daughter.my two best pigeons are father and daughter but in no longer have the mother..would like to keep the breed

[schouwman71]

only do this sort of breeding with your very best breeders,and then keep an eye on their offspring as then you will tell when its time to put another line into them,all goes with practice and expierience on how well you know your own family,if its a new breed then i would just breed best to best until you get a winning line from them.Les

[birdman55678]

Les, in reference to  your post to keep an eye on their offspring.  Once I see a frill come on the breast I then make an outcross and then the frills go away.  I maybe wrong but this seems to happen around the 5 mating (father to 5th granddaughter).  Am I wrong here or is this a natural thing.  I have 2 different strains I am flying and it is holding true for them.  Thanks.  Ed

[birdman55678]

Les, I forgot to add, even the birds with the frills are flying ok, but haven't breed them any further.  Any thoughts?  Ed

[hillfamilyloft]

I am glad you posted about the frills on the neck. I have two nest mate cocks with frills on their necks. They are a complete outcross. I wanted to breed these cocks to start a new family of birds down from their sire. Should I breed these birds with the frill?  Does anyone have any experience with breeding this out of the gene pool. Other than the frill they are perfect specimens. Ok close to perfect. I am going to breed the hens out of the pairing without a frill. Will I see the frill in their offspring?

Randy

[hillfamilyloft]

I am establising a family of birds out of three birds brother siter and half sister. I have been crossing them then breeding their young (cousins) together. I then breed the cousins offspring back into the original birds. I would say this is line breeding. I am finding the offspring of the cousins are very strong. I am also finding that they are throwing all the white that I find in the lineage. ie. Flights, splashes and pied. Two bars are throwing some white.

I am still unsure whether I want to do true in-breeding. I may experiment with Cock to granddaughter.

Randy

[Guest]

Must admit bit confused line- from inbreeding.  :-/

 

Thought line was back to a particular cock or hen, so there is an element of inbreeding there. Also a ´cross´ can be inbreeding, when you bring in a distant relation to your own family from a loft flying the same stuff.

 

Got a potential good one in 2006 from bringing in a Kirkpatrick cross from another loft and putting it to a related Kirkpatrick cross of my own.  I´ve now got the Kirkpatrick dam of that cross, to put to the Kirkpatrick sire of my own cross, both of which are son and daughter of a 5th Open SNFC Rennes  winner, so that´s brother and half-sister mating for 2007, based on potential and actual performances from youngsters from both birds with a different mate, and actual performances of their sire.

 

Other main one is a father & daughter. So both of these are linebreeding to two different cocks, but they are inbreeding too.

 

 

 

 

[schouwman71]

my no1 stock cock ive had the pleasure of owning had a frill on the front of his chest like a dicke bow,he bred 18x1st prize winners,and his children bred winners aswell and also carried this trate,he was a son of stamvater 76 & sheer elegance from louella,dont know weather its with line breeding as i never did when i had him,i always out crossed his line into other janssens which made them faster,i use to have the linde du pye janssens fron holland and they just seemed to go well into his line,any one everheard of these ?

[Wiley]

some of my best pigeons have frills two to be precise,two of my best racing hens and this is from a cross breeding there parents were not related in any way

[schouwman71]

Dont worry about pigeons with frills,if they breed the goods or fly very well then keep it that way,dont change the way you breed just to get rid of the frills.Any way it makes them look different.

[hillfamilyloft]

These frills are out of a grandson of Ikon, Magic Star, Lady Luck, and My Girl - all world class birds. They are a cross with Vic Miller Birds off of Davids Perfection. They are good stock. I will most likely breed one of the cocks with the frill and both the hens off of this pair.

[Guest slugmonkey]

I got a frill necked Magic star bird but thats not why I am here I have made some sheets that look like a tournament bracket to help me keep my breedings straight it has 2 lines in the middle these split to 4 then 8 then 16 this keeps the pair their parents, grandparents, great grandparents I then add the children and mates of them then there are lines below that where I add the grandchildren then I use a colored marker to draw a line between matings this helps me keep track of which matings ( inbred ) are successful and to hopefully repeat the effect

[expat1]

HI

Lets say a newstarter want to found a family from Scratch. So what he can do is to Purchase a Top Performance CockWith Classic Performances Say he wants to race Short to Middle Distance. Then Purchase or Loan three outstanding Producer hens from Fanciers who have them, or the Hard Way Buy them but at a cost If you borrow them you can split the Young Birds  with the owners of the hens

Now you have this Cock above Call him A. all the Producer hens which are unrelated to each other and the cock would most likely be unrelated to any of the hens the Hens would be B-C-D pair the cock in turn to each hen. Race the Young Birds to test them The Best Daughters the following year would be Mated to the Sire. In the mean time all others are raced quite hard. You can pair Half Brother -Sister together and test those Young Birds

The Young Birds bred from the Father + Daughter are also tested hard. Now what you are creating is a Line Bred Family Based on one Cock as the Stud Sire. all you can hope is that you have chosen wisely. This is Line Breeding on the Paternal Line. You can go on for 20 plus years and all you do is bring in Unrelated hen But top Producer Hens, I.E have bred top Classic winning pigeons. At the end of 20 years or so all Progeny will be linked to the one Orginal Cock and this is Line Breeding on the Paternal Side ( Male}

expat1

[Keepsmilingqueen]

did you take that info from one of the old hand publications expat1 as i have a method almost idential in an old hand book about establishing strains   iv never tried it tho  ;D maybe in the future

[expat1]

Hi

There is a similar thing wrote i believe but i have never read it, but we practised this in the mid 60,s and 70.s and to an extent in the 90,s with our presnt family It is just to show the fancier a way or the difference in Line inbreeding If you have one stud Sire then all will relate back to him. You can of course try it on the Line of the female but few are good at it the most famous person in England to culivate a female Line bred Family was the great Vic Robinson from Southhampton. when one has kept and raced pigeons for well over 50 years we should know a little

expat1

[kseire]

If anyone is serious about learning the methods of inbreeding and line breeding then you must read the old hand publications. They are priceless!

[edthekid]

paired mother to son this year.......mother had 3x1st 8thfed son had 3x1sts 11fed....lovley young en......never paired that close before