Latebred's

[jimmy white]

what are the forums views on latebreds, and what would be the best way to treat them,and has any forum members won with them, or any practical advice for new starters  with latebreds,,,,,,jimmy white

[Guest speckled]

what do you call late breeds jimmy,i breed in december,as i have darkness youngsters,so my late breeds would be for me, feb march,which i thinkis a little late for me, as some fanciers,have not paired up for there first round of youngsters yet.But 2 yrs ago i had 2 late breed youngsters put them in the loft in march but could not race them,as thay fell apart during the racing period.i managed to get 2 races in for them, so i kept then & raced them as yearling 1 i lost the other is still here & has 2, 1st clud & 7th fed,so it just goes to show.speckled

[Guest]

Wondered how far do you put them as yearlings, Rose?

A local fancier put a bird bred September 2004, and only out and about from February 2005 away to Lille 465 miles on 2nd July 2005. Up 6.30am and timed this bird at 10pm. The bird also hadn't dropped its 1st flight.

I think Joe Murphy (BHW) said he had one from 500 miles.

Personally, I treat them as if they are young birds - 150 miles max. as I've found the late bred moult of two flights-at-a-time stops me by mid-May, can't even get them to comeback race early June as they have huge gaps in both wings. Have heard also that you're not supposed to race them until 2 year old. G Rankin & Son had a good SNFC result last year with a 2 year old late bred, 1st year on the road. I'll keep my own 750 miler on-the-day under my hat for now  

[jimmy white]

the pigeons born in december and rung the following year as ybs are actualy late latebreds   and due to the daylight hours then are automaticly on the darkness system.

the later the birds are bred the more flights they will hold,. as latebreds  i was meaning latebreds bred and rung in the currant year, which may have cast ,say5 or 6 flights, which would have been to late for the yb racing, that particular year.

  i just feel there are a lot of well bred latebreds given to new starters and would like the forum members advice on them , my own personable opinion is for the new starter to keep these for breeding ,to form a team, for the future,    but thats not to say im right,   as many of my best pigeons have been latebreds at 2 3 4 yearolds,but treated slightly differantly as yearling latebreds

[Guest]

talking to different fanciers the opinion seems to be that really late breds are a waste of time, ok you sometimes drop on a corker but 9 times out of 10 they will go down when you put them on the road. this is just my and other local fanciers opinions dont bite my head off!(and remember i fly the south east route which is hard enoughfor the 'normal' bred young birds,  crossing everyone flying south to north or north to south)

[Guest shadow]

I have had some very good late breds but you do have to be careful when you start racing them and avoid sending them in easterly or cold wind winds as they do take to kindly to them.

fly hard fly fair.

[Guest WINGS 04]

we will just train them as yearlings then as 2 yearolds they will go to 360miles inland and then i will not be afraid to send them to 500miles

[jimmy white]

i have found latebreds to turn out very good pigeons, but i think you have to be very patient with them,   the very first thing i would do ,in the year of birth is basket train them, i,e feed and water in the basket, i have found that birds bred in july, aug, to be perfectly reared as to the light nights and warmer weather,and as said in some previous posts,wouldnt train them untill the end of may the following year,to avoid the cold east wids etc,i would rather jump them in to a 150 mile race at the end of may, than send them 60 miles in early april , ive found you lose less.i would be quite happy if my late breds had 2or 3 races at around that distance, then leave them well alone, but as two year olds , i would race them up to 350 miles if they were sprint pigeons.   if they were bred for the distance,and if it were distance races i was going for, i would give about 3 races try to get an 8 hour fly for them, then with a break ,send them  500 miles or over    i beleive there are many good yearlings or latebreds lost in the month of april.     jimmy

[Guest]

we have done well with late breds only on sprint races though!

[Guest]

Well, I've just the two 2005 latebreds, Jimmy. Obviously not trained or raced. So I'll be taking your advice with these two birds next year...a May start for training. How many trainers and to what distance do you recommend before they go into a race basket bearing in mind by mid May we were already at 157 miles. If that is a bit too much, would it be a case of just training them?

[Guest shadow]

I train my latebreds up to 20 miles on any fine days after young bird racing is finished the i can concentrate on them even if they do not get many it still helps the the following year

 

fly  hard fly fair

[jimmy white]

agree with shadow, if you can get the late breds trained to a 20 mile radius on good days, itll do no harm, but basket trained first, i reckon is very imprtant

[speedbird]

good points raised think im gona do the whats been sugested with yours jimmy as ive got 10 to train up just to see how they go

[jimmy white]

good luck to you speedbird,,,ive been browzing through a lot of differant articles , posts etc,, im looking at shadows, i dont know him, but feel he talks a lot of sense in all his posts,   its worth looking through his posts, to me he makes alot of sense

[Guest Doostalker]

I think the trouble with late breds is the fancier.

 

What I mean by that is that very often we take late breds because we have had losses in the YB racing. Then we don't train them in the year of their birth because it is too late and we have other things to do. Come the next year we start to train them in the same way as the other yearlings, and when they go down, we say that they are a waste of time. Bottom line it is the fancier's fault.  :

 

I can say this as I have been guilty of doing just that in the past,  :B but after reading a great article on late breds in the RP by Culzean and also talking to him on the subject when he was at the Dunoon Show, I changed my management of them.  Now I would always say that late breds are worth taking and can do well but only if they are treated right. What Jimmy says is almost word for word what Culzean told me, and is great advice. Well done JW!!

 

Maybe if we moved away from categorising them as Late Breds and remembered how old they were by year/month we would be much more tolerant of them, because when all is said and done, they are no older than the December bred YB raced the following summer. Think about it...

[snowy]

all advice taken & appreciated, someone is giving me a late late bred next week, is it best not even to let out & just keep in now until next year? as the weather is getting to that stage where its darker & colder earlier now? what do you think?

regards snowy

[jimmy white]

i would put the late breds out , just to get used to the surroundings and area, if you kept them in to next year ,you would have more chance of losing them from the loft

[Guest Doostalker]

I would let it out snowy, so as you can get it homed. It will be much more difficult to do that next year.

[snowy]

great, thanks jim & terry, much appreciated

[speedbird]

i think late breds are ok when you have plenty of time with them like now other birds have now finnished can train em till they drop into the moult & if you have enough of em too as just 1 or 2 probably very hard work

[speedbird]

yeah jimmy he does the ones i got from all went for  a wonder today last one came back about 5.30 turning out good nice & steady wuth em i think which i think is well worth doing when you a few to work at

[Guest]

How old are they allowed to training on the road?

[jimmy white]

y,b training should start about 10 weeks old, under normal circumstances, but with late breds , they would be better left at this time of the year, you could allways basket train them and let them of a couple of miles away, on good days, speedbird got his going quite early and got the best of the weather,as far as im aware hes trained them and now has them flying over an hour,so hes certainly worked hard with them

[Guest]

Jimmy, is it worth to breeding late bred's is it for new starters?

 

I gave 3 late bred's for new starter this year.

[Guest]

Jimmy, is it worth to breeding late bred's is it for new starters?

 

I gave 3 late bred's for new starter this year.