Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 I have a selection process in place and this has kept me winning races and breeding winners for others over a number of years, what selection process do others have as well as the basket, what do others look for in the modern day pigeon..
Guest chrisss Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 I have a selection process in place and this has kept me winning races and breeding winners for others over a number of years, what selection process do others have as well as the basket, what do others look for in the modern day pigeon.. i think to be fair if you are going to ask about other peoples systems you should start with explaining yours? :P :P
les Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 what i concider not up to the mark come the end of season ,i let fly out during the winter to help combat the hawk problems ,dont waist birds that can be of great use ,think about it .
Guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 what i concider not up to the mark come the end of season ,i let fly out during the winter to help combat the hawk problems ,dont waist birds that can be of great use ,think about it . YOUR SICK :
Guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Race them upto 2 year olds, as only 12 pairs will breed off most, so if they don't race and the YBs don't show promise then thats good enough excuse for me!
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 i think to be fair if you are going to ask about other peoples systems you should start with explaining yours? :P :P maybe so chriss thanks for picking me up on that i not mean anything by that. 1. I study a family I am bringing in then if it meets my criteria I find who has the best,this could take anything upto 18 months as it did with my VDB. 2. I then buy what I term as close to the originals as possible direct decendants, or top producers if available. 3. I learn the fanciers breeding program or plan. 4. I maintain the type as originally intended, culling any that fall outside this. hope this gives an idea of what i do. spencer
les Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 YOUR SICK : ok we just let all the hawks kill our pigeons ,and then kill all the pigeons that dont make the mark .that means the pigeons are just waisted , im not sick i do what works ,killing pigeons for no reason is sick in my eyes.
joe61 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 les i have thought about what you do and there is no way that can be condoned by pigeon fanciers it just beggers belief that some one in the sport thinks that is clever its got to be the worst post put on here oh happy days [but not for les birds poor sods]
les Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 les i have thought about what you do and there is no way that can be condoned by pigeon fanciers it just beggers belief that some one in the sport thinks that is clever its got to be the worst post put on here oh happy days [but not for les birds poor sods]i cant belive some ,they are going to die either by hawk attack or some one SCREWING their necks for no other reason other than they think they arnt worth giving time to ,my way they get to live as long as they can survive ,they get feed every day ,but if a hawk does take one it will never kill again ,all my other birds benefit from their death ,would they benefit if the birds just got killed for sod all [i think not ]then again i live a realist life in the country ,
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 i cant belive some ,they are going to die either by hawk attack or some one SCREWING their necks for no other reason other than they think they arnt worth giving time to ,my way they get to live as long as they can survive ,they get feed every day ,but if a hawk does take one it will never kill again ,all my other birds benefit from their death ,would they benefit if the birds just got killed for sod all [i think not ]then again i live a realist life in the country , by humanly culling or screwing their necks as you put it, this is done with a slight pull, no screwing required, think your thinking of flat pack furniture assembly, humanly taking things into our own hands to dispose of birds is better than being eaten alive as your body goes into shock and all your systems shut down prevent your lungs to function and the case of feeling suffocated and then suffer organ failure.... all this while some other bird is ripping your guts out as the blood spills everywhere....!!!! well sorry a quick pull is better than a hard screw or being eaten alive.
les Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 by humanly culling or screwing their necks as you put it, this is done with a slight pull, no screwing required, think your thinking of flat pack furniture assembly, humanly taking things into our own hands to dispose of birds is better than being eaten alive as your body goes into shock and all your systems shut down prevent your lungs to function and the case of feeling suffocated and then suffer organ failure.... all this while some other bird is ripping your guts out as the blood spills everywhere....!!!! well sorry a quick pull is better than a hard screw or being eaten alive. you said it ,and that is what does happen when your pigeons do get eaten alive ,and the more you let the hawks increase in numbers by not taking action ,the more they are going to eat your pigeons ,so the ones that think they are doing the right thing by killing them needlessly ,you are just proloning the agony of your other pigeons FACT.
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 you said it ,and that is what does happen when your pigeons do get eaten alive ,and the more you let the hawks increase in numbers by not taking action ,the more they are going to eat your pigeons ,so the ones that think they are doing the right thing by killing them needlessly ,you are just proloning the agony of your other pigeons FACT. its got to be accepted hawks are here to stay, and when they find a rich hunting ground they will stay longer thats why you got the problem your creating it and making your loft a take away house for them, your encouraging the hawks and cant see it, take it up with a hawk expert he will tell you the same and probably give you a pat on the back for being so caring to them. oh dear what problems some create for themselves.
les Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 its got to be accepted hawks are here to stay, and when they find a rich hunting ground they will stay longer thats why you got the problem your creating it and making your loft a take away house for them, your encouraging the hawks and cant see it, take it up with a hawk expert he will tell you the same and probably give you a pat on the back for being so caring to them. oh dear what problems some create for themselves. just sit up and take note [i KNOW MORE ABOUT HAWKS AND FALCONS THAN YOU WILL EVER GET TO FIND OUT ] i dont get any problems ,neither do any one living near me [i FECKING WONDER WHY ] and this has been going on for a number of years ,you just keep on accepting that they are going to increase in numbers ,it is people like you that will see this hobby die its death because of you stupid attitued , please dont preach to some one that has forgoten more about dealing with wildlife problems ,than you will ever learn i have made a living from it for over 35 years ..its called living of the land.
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 just sit up and take note [i KNOW MORE ABOUT HAWKS AND FALCONS THAN YOU WILL EVER GET TO FIND OUT ] i dont get any problems ,neither do any one living near me [i FECKING WONDER WHY ] and this has been going on for a number of years ,you just keep on accepting that they are going to increase in numbers ,it is people like you that will see this hobby die its death because of you stupid attitued , please dont preach to some one that has forgoten more about dealing with wildlife problems ,than you will ever learn i have made a living from it for over 35 years ..its called living of the land. well sir you have called me stupid and if your happy doing what your doing thats fine, but how can you say you have not got a problem, when the hawks regularly take your birds, wanted ones or not. its still taking the birds, and guess you not got a problem... just the poor bird your sending to its death. i wont post on this thread again thanks.
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 And considering i started this post to get feed back on peoples selection criteria.. well you thought it ok to advertise your barbaric and cruel methods of feeding the hawks.
blaz Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 YOUR SICK : hawk will be back and when you loose a good bird to it .give your self a pat on the back les
thunderboult Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 I have a selection process in place and this has kept me winning races and breeding winners for others over a number of years, what selection process do others have as well as the basket, what do others look for in the modern day pigeon.. if i'm bringing in stock, it's the bloodlines i go for-children,g-children or inbred to a particular top performance bird and cross them with similar birds from diffrent lines. then it's all down to performance on the road.
Guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 And considering i started this post to get feed back on peoples selection criteria.. well you thought it ok to advertise your barbaric and cruel methods of feeding the hawks. it was me that went of topic, i must apoligise for that. BUT I HAD TO MAKE MY POINT.yours in this wounderful sport andy
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 if i'm bringing in stock, it's the bloodlines i go for-children,g-children or inbred to a particular top performance bird and cross them with similar birds from diffrent lines. then it's all down to performance on the road. i cross birds occassionally not every year , i line breed and breed top birds because the cock and hen have one relationship one to the other.. its how strains are maintained through years of not bringing in a outside bird.
Guest shadow Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 I started my selection process from the day they are hatched if any fall behind or do not thrive they are humanely disposed of
les Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 hawk will be back and when you loose a good bird to it .give your self a pat on the back lesnot when they have had a go ,[see i said have a go ] it can catch one of my pigeons that are left out but 9 out of 10 times it dont always get it but when the hawk flys away 9 out of 10 times it will never catch a living thing again ,and the pigeon will live to fight another day , this is my selection process ,but it is for the hawks ,
just ask me Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 i look for birds that are winning today and winning for others also i look for people that have close enough the same set up as my own this is very important as with some lofts we have seen the pics we cant have the same set up also some fanicers would win no mater what u give them just great pigeon men so they must be winning in different areas also when buying i buy off birds that are winning today in the loft what i mean by this is i really don't look back in the pedigree to see what birds done 10 15 years ago only reason id look further back than grandparents is too see what way this man is pairing his birds so in short really simple set up birds winning in different areas buy off birds in the fanicers loft that are winning now also fancier living in bad location what i mean by this is a fancier don't have to have loads of firsts if there are no one else in the results in his area and he gets in that will do for me after that train hard race hard and try to breed around one or two birds as they all might look good quality but one thing pigeon men cant tell is what is in there heads and hart hopefully u will see a common denominator with one hen or cock coming though then just breed around that one or two pigeons
les Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 well sir you have called me stupid and if your happy doing what your doing thats fine, but how can you say you have not got a problem, when the hawks regularly take your birds, wanted ones or not. its still taking the birds, and guess you not got a problem... just the poor bird your sending to its death. i wont post on this thread again thanks. ok perhaps your not stupid ,mabe just not up on the way things work ,if the hawk grabs one of the birds that are out ,it dont always have a meal but because it tried and failed it flys away with a big problem atached to its self and can never kill again .like i said i live of the land and know a trick or two .[AND IT IS A LEAGAL TRICK] with no come backs and just incase you have not realised .every time you let your birds into the big wide word you are sending them to their death [just like me ] but mine have more chance than yours of survival.
leighton1984 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 selection takes time they are many factors that can make or brake pigeons. its not allways the pigeon but the man. but if every thing else is right its that the bird not good one.
thunderboult Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 i cross birds occassionally not every year , i line breed and breed top birds because the cock and hen have one relationship one to the other.. its how strains are maintained through years of not bringing in a outside bird. when you say you line breed what do you mean, to me line bred is father as a son,who as a son, who as a son and so on, same line. any cock and hen paired together have a relationship to one and other(do you mean they are related). you say strains that means nothing to me, just some guys name,that particular bloke could have birds from here,there and everywhere and most on the continent do.
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