E.T.S YES OR NO

[Guest]

pads have to be inside the loft and sealed by your club and can be checked on race days as i have done in my fed.,

[celtic]

Sorry fife-king , i can't see how they can miss the pad ? as clockman has explained it's inside the loft !

[Blue Chequer]

You all seem pretty confident that this is the way forward.  I forcast that the introduction of ETS by the RPRA will see a massive exodus from the sport not an increase.  I know for a fact in my club at least half a dozen would say stuff it.

[celtic]

What would their reasons be chequer ?

[Blue Chequer]

Most members in this area fly to allotments and would for starters be unpreparad to leave anything of great value that could be vandalized. Also many are now in what could be called the senior stages and just would not be prepared to spend on a new system when they have a perfectly adequate system which has served them well for the past 50-60 years.  Part of pigeon racing is handling your birds and trapping them in and taking off the rubber ring and getting it in the clock. Take that away and some of the excitement of the race has gone. I really do fear for the future of the sport .One loft races I can understand having this system of timing but even that is not infallible. The syndicate I had a bird in was given a lower position although clocked at the exact same time because the computor then sorted it alphabetically.

[Guest]

I agree with you fife-king I dont think its going bring a lot more people back into the sport ; it certainly isnt cheap and there's also compatability problems ; fliers taking the first 10 in the club etc

 

Agree with your main points Rose. I've already posted on cost: few sales seem to mean high prices, no matter what you are buying; compatibility would be good but again no-one saw / sees anything wrong about the myriad of existing clocks, thimbles, rolls & dials, or for that matter, club race result computer programs.

 

I think your last point is the most relevant. When they were rubber-band people, our Feds current ets users would very rarely be bothered to put more than 2 or 3 in the clock. Now that its automatic, they leave the system running and can time in as many as they sent. OK I hear you say, entitled to, paid for the birdage. (1) Its not you thats left to enter all the birds details to produce a race result. (2) On multiple timing, the system does offer advantage over manual clocks. 10 birds in a drop to each of two fanciers, all trapping equal and the same. Disregard the first bird into each clock and think about the timing-in of the remaining 9: no fancier on earth can get 9 rubbers off 9 pigeons into 9 thimbles and strike 9 thimbles, all inside 9 seconds (that is 9 seconds from removing the rubber from Bird No2 to striking-in bird No10). ETS can and does. For me, that's the only important grey area, clear advantages over rubbers and thimbles in multiple timing, and it does need to be regulated to produce a fairer and less-skewed race result.

 

 

 

[Guest]

ask davie doo he had a bird that missed the pad. and i dont agree with people comming and checking all the time if your all cock sure of the system why check not trust the people who use it.

[westburylofts]

 

Do you not think that we are all to blame for people clocking so many

bird's in at club level and fed level on the short to middle distance's

 

as when looking at differant fanciers / studs  selling bird's it is how many first's seconds and other places they have won, a lot off us fall for the 21x1st 18x2nd 20x3rd a year advert as it looks impressive.   hope this make's sence ???.

 

But what i an trying to say is if you made a living from selling bird's or at least

to cover the cost's of the sport,  you would want your results to look better than the rest out there,  can you blame them for doing so.

 

The one thing i would like to say re E.T.S. is it appears that a lot say they will

not be able to afford it,   tell me has everyone got T3's   i know lot's that say they cannot afford them and would not buy one if they could afford too.

they can be fiddled  is this not the same arguement all over again.

 

RAY

[Guest]

ask davie doo he had a bird that missed the pad. and i dont agree with people comming and checking all the time if your all cock sure of the system why check not trust the people who use it.

[westburylofts]

 

It is down to the same old thing   if you win all the time you must be cheating,

so if you are not doping the birds then you must fiddling the clock.

 

not so many look at them selfs or there birds

 

RAY

[westburylofts]

 

I think that what you are saying is what i was trying to say,

in my own way LOL  i confuse myself so i never know how anyone else has

a clue about what i say,

 

agree 100% about club racing,

but i think that the same can be said about the National and classic race's

in that where you live pays a big part in the results, but that is pigeon racing

and you have to make the best of it when it faviours you.

 

RAY

hope this makes sence  LOL

[Guest]

Most members in this area fly to allotments and would for starters be unpreparad to leave anything of great value that could be vandalized. Also many are now in what could be called the senior stages and just would not be prepared to spend on a new system when they have a perfectly adequate system which has served them well for the past 50-60 years.

 

I can agree with and well understand this. It is down to personal choice. If I were one of these fanciers, I wouldn't be spending £400+ on a timing system unless it improved things for me and the birds in a big way.

 

But I am not one of them, it would improve my set-up in a big way, and I would get one if I could afford it.

 

And how could my personal decision of getting one affect 'the enjoyment' of any other fanciers if they choose not to have one? And of course, in Scotland, we at least have a choice.

 

 

[Guest]

Surely it should be up to the fancier, if he wants to put his hand in his pocket and by the ETS then he should be able to do so. It is at the end of the day just another way of timing when a bird gets home, not some way to make them home faster. And surely if a fancier doesnt want it or cant afford it then they should be able to keep their old clock. Me I feel I can afford it and would benefit from it, so I will get it when it eventually is allowed to be used, and obviously it wont make them home any faster, but when the birds are liberated a fews days late and Im at work then the race wont be a waste of my time.

[Guest]

can any one tell me if 2 birds go over the pad at the same time how do you separate  them

[bill_bennie]

Fife-King,,,, If I may answer this, when you get your print out from the clock the bird's will be separated in "Decimals". Very small decimals infact.

In 6 years of using the E.T.'s (Tipes) over here in Canada I have yet to see 2 bird's clocked on exactly the same decimal point. And when the bird's are so close, the computer gives you the bird that had the advantage first, in decimals.

I have had the mis-fortune though of having 2 bird's go through the trap (same stall) only to find that only 1 bird was clocked. It happened so fast that it is always a priority to check the clock after the bird's trap.

Hope this helps.

 

Yours in the Sport - Bill.

[Guest]

that means 2 birds can be timmed in the same second but if you do that with a clock just know youll get disqualified. and that means the ets has an advantage you  can get 2 in a second but a manuel clock cant and thats because we cant go to decimals its that fair?

[Guest]

WELL WHAT ABOUT A T3 DLUEDOO :-/ YOU CAN TIME IN 2 BIRDS ON THE SAME SECOND WITH THAT I'V SEEN IT DONE  :-/

[bill_bennie]

That's progress for you, and in the same respect it is no differant than when we went from having to use "Capsules" to the new drums on our clock's, where you did not have to use them (capsules). Were you penalized then?

 

Yours in the Sport - Bill.

[Guest]

that means 2 birds can be timmed in the same second but if you do that with a clock just know youll get disqualified.

 

I think that you are referring to two rubbers in the same thimble, one strike, will get you disqualified. Two strikes is timing in twice, and if you can get it on the same second, both count.

 

Something like a T3 digital print clock tells you exactly what time the bird was timed, to 3? decimal points of a second. You'll not get anywhere near the same accuracy with an analogue print clock because you are depending upon the expertise of the clock reader and not even the best will be able to do it to decimal points of a second.  

 

The pigeons are reckoned to have got faster over the years with in some cases decimal points seperating the leaders; that alone should tell us we need more accurate timing, but the technology to cope with this, or more correctly the fanciers who argue against it, just haven't kept up with the times. [terrible pun]

 

[Guest]

THAT I WAS SAYING WAS TWO RUBBERS TWO THIMBLES TWO STRIKES,                     2 PIGEONS THE SAME TIME SAME VEL.THE T3 DOES'NT PRINT OUT DECIMAL POINTS OF A SECOND WELL NOT THE T3 IN MY CLUB.

[Guest]

Will get back to you tomorrow, Clockman, on T3.

 

Mind's eye : flashing digital display readout 00:00:00:00 hh,mm,ss and parts of a second?

 

Probably wrong .... again  ;D

[Guest]

i dont belive for a minute you can time 2 birds in the same second and have a t 3 and im very quick at timming in

[Guest]

thank you rose  -and the first thimble out of the clock is the winner-

                                                     the printout ie.                     01

                                                                                       105504

                                                                                               02

                                                                                       105504

ANYONE ELSE SEEN IT DONE??????

[Guest]

Im sure it would be a rare problem with ETS, that two go through at the exact same time and only times the 1, but if it does can you not tell its only clocked one pigeon then just simply pass the pigeon through the trap again to time it. I suppose at the end of the day it depends on how pedantic you are about claiming 2nd place if you have already won the race with the first pigeon.

[westburylofts]

 

Hi All

 

I Have Also seen 2 birds timed in on the same second,

I have done it twice last season, not that hard to do with the kwick start

 

RAY