why do children not seem interested in our sport ?

[Guest chrisss]

well lets face it if you was starting in the sport and someone said to you the following about keeping racing pigeons

its costs a fortune to start up [most of the time]

most of your fellow club members will not talk to you

most of your young birds will come from complete strangers on a website[this one ;D ;D]because no one in your local club will help you[trust me that one applies i know]

if by some strange chance you do win a race you will be accused of doping your birds etc then the very few people who do talk to you then stop

hawks/cats/yobbos etc can kill your birds with no fear of any comeback from you

if you join the wrong clique/gang in the club you are dammed

if you join the wrong gang the rest might disband the club then restart but you are no longer in the radius

the same applies if you win

feed prices are through the roof and going up

most of the fancy spend so much time infighting the sport will be dead in 10 years max

defra appear to be comitted to killing the sport off based on unfounded/disproved science ref bird flu

the press constantly refer to your birds as flying rats and most of your neighbors are convinced that you will kill their kids if birdflu goes to humans

 

anyone for a computer game ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Having said all this, please understand there will be good hard working official all round the country,who tirelessly give there time for free.

 

It is not to them, but to the way we or they make decisions in the name of our sport. There is a good chance many of the official, feel just as trapped as us all.

[DOVEScot]

 

 

so if members dont go to the meetings to vote them in who's falt is it they get to stay in, "the ones who dont go and are the ones who complain" as i said its the members that put them in office so how can they complain, the problem is most of the younger ones dont want the jobs or want to attend meetings, so where would the sport be without the ones that keep getting the jobs, and as said its the members that put officials in ,

 

Here is an idea that might change all that, given the present work situation that MODERN day life encounters

 

We can now vote electronically in an election of Government, so why not on the election of office bearers with in our sport.

 

The list of things in need of change is endless and it would take a comprehensive examination, to scrap at the surface,of our problems but we got to start somewhere.

 

Jobs for the boys springs to mind

 

Rab Smith

[THE FIFER]

 

Here is an idea that might change all that, given the present work situation that MODERN day life encounters

 

 

how many members have the means to carry this out, i take it they mean by the internet,

 

 

[rembrant2coo]

 

But is he forward thinking and willing to take on board some new ideas before the ship runs aground.

 

dovey he must be forward thinking , to put is self forward for such a task as this is , you were on the other night about muti-task there is some people in life that can multi-task and put every thing into it and my experience of the man i,m talking about mr les blacklock is one of them and may isay i have known him now for the last 4 years that he has been coming to see us here in scotland

[rembrant2coo]

Is he cumbria regions sec

 

B.H.W.MARCH THE 7TH PAGES 15N AND 16 AND THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ROSE   YES HE IS ANDIF YOU COME TO OUR DANCE NEXT YEAR YOU WILL MEET THE MAN IN QUESTION

 

 

 

and dovey whats wrong have i upset and your multi- task

[rembrant2coo]

Will he be there   Hopefully he will be a bit more forward thinking and might change things for the better I am doubtful though being he is already on council and an officer on all the committees and can already vote for or against changes  but to be fair give him a chance and see what he does

 

yes he,ll be there never missed one yet and he is the main guest this year

[rembrant2coo]

Maybe i get to meet him then

 

ONLY IF YOU TURN UP AND SKIP YOUR WORK

[Guest IB]

I remember a member posting on a 'new problem' for Pigeon Clubs when admitting young members, new Regulations requiring a Child Welfare Officer and few willing to take on that Role?

 

Wondering if this is the reason the young girl 'may' have difficulty joining? At a time when all pigeon clubs are crying out for new blood, surely the Unions can offer advice on the issue? It surely shouldn't be used as an excuse to block new entrants.  

 

Couldn't find the Legislation, this link is about a boxing club,  but gives an idea of what is involved:-

 

http://www.abae.co.uk/about/Child/index.asp

[pjc]

going back to officials, how difficult is it to get officials in your own club?

I never see all the hand going up when jobs are vacent at AGM!

How many clubs actualy send delegates for region meetings? Every club is entitled to!

If members won't put there hands up at meetings whats the chance of them putting hands up a region!

In most cases at region if they know somebody is standing down the dinosaurs will have linned up another to take the post so if an outsider does get put forward they get voted down.

If you then do get onto region and become a council delegate, i beleive council meetings take place on a friday so that rules out anybody who works so back to dinosaurs!

 

This does your head in!!!! ??)

[deano198]

thank you phil for all your help i have now spoken to derrick who gave me info and advice and  give me the number of a club close to us and their secretary  is going to put it to the members to see if they will let her in to their club to fly her young birds i hope the out came is good  i would like to thank you all for all your help and advise on this matter yours in the sport s.hopkins

[DOVEScot]

I remember a member posting on a 'new problem' for Pigeon Clubs when admitting young members, new Regulations requiring a Child Welfare Officer and few willing to take on that Role?

 

Wondering if this is the reason the young girl 'may' have difficulty joining? At a time when all pigeon clubs are crying out for new blood, surely the Unions can offer advice on the issue? It surely shouldn't be used as an excuse to block new entrants.  

 

Couldn't find the Legislation, this link is about a boxing club,  but gives an idea of what is involved:-

 

http://www.abae.co.uk/about/Child/index.asp

 

 

A club does not need a child protection officer; an organisation may need to appoint one if they are running programmes involving children

Child Protection Policy

 

Your link to the ABAE

The Board of Directors, The Boxing Council of England and the management team of the ABAE endorse this Child Protection Policy.  All Children and Young People who participate in our organisation deserve and must expect a safe and positive experience throughout our nation-wide network of clubs and events.

This policy document ensures that our Children and Young People are able to develop personally, socially, emotionally and physically within a culture that is committed to safeguarding them from harm.

 

Any club affiliated to an organisation must have submitted or adopted their constitution; a club may add their own club rules approved at an AGM or an extraordinary meeting. They may withhold an application till a an appropriate meeting is called but they cannot make them up as they go along

 

If my young girl was trying to get into a club and she was refused, I would ask why. If it was as in most boxing clubs they did not have the facilities to cater for changing etc then if I could not find a way round it I would have to accept it, who would want their young girl changing etc in a communal area

 

Hypothetical; if your girl joins our pigeon you must be present with her at all times because to keep ourselves safe as there are times only one adult is present in the club sometimes and this may contravene the child protection laws, I hope you understand.

This is better than saying sorry no can do, bye

 

 

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

MY M8S ALL LIKE PIGEONS BUT THEY SAY THEY DONT WANT THEM BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY WILL LOSE INTREST WITH THEM

[deano198]

i have read some of the comments i would like to say she has been around pigeons all her life  what with her dad, her uncle and her cousin and her dads  friends all having pigeons

  i am not asking for my daughter to go in the club all i was asking for was for her to be able to put her young birds in the basket  with the members of the pigeon club but unfortunately she would have to be a member of the pigeon club to do that and at no point would she go into the club, i would have done what was needed in side the club unfortunately THIS MAY ALL BE IN VAIN HAS MY  HUSBAND IS NOW AGAINST HER HAVING PIGEONS as it is making to much trouble  with  in the sport  s hopkins

[pjc]

I hope she does continue and is encouraged. I know Dean has probably been put of by it all but I know she's got your support.

Glad you spoke with Derek and I am sure the other club will look favourably at the application.

Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help.

 

Regards

Phil

[DOVEScot]

 

how many members have the means to carry this out, i take it they mean by the internet,

 

 

Electronically would not be the only method as in any voting system, an idea would be to give members several options on how they could vote, once they took that option then that is how they could only cast a vote, Electronically, postal, in person or a proxy vote

[pjc]

Rose,

They have contacted the fed sec I told them about yesterday and they have contacted another club near to them in the same fed I fly in so am hopeing for a much better outcome or words will be had!

[doo]

 

looks like a child taking an interest ;D

[doo.racer]

we dont advertise our sport. Most kids have never heard of pigeon racing. We need to get back to basics. If local clubs took a stall at gala days etc then perhaps kids would see what happens and what they are missing

[doo.racer]

we dont advertise our sport. Most kids have never heard of pigeon racing. We need to get back to basics. If local clubs took a stall at gala days etc then perhaps kids would see what happens and what they are missing

[pjc]

doo racer, the RPRA have a mobile unit available for shows etc purchased for this purpose.

If you know of a show or fete then contact Peter Bryant for the unit.

 

Phil

[Guest Paulo]

Heres a thought for you when was the last time your club advertised either in the fancy press or outside? Most young people in this sport come from long established pigeon racing familys myself included. Myself and the other young lad in the club I'm 26 he's 29 dad's flew pigeons. I think pigeon racing is very much a closed shop and we don't make it easy for people to find out more information or join. Even websites for our organisations are a joke the NEHU is rubbish.

 

If maybe the clubs advertised in their local papers they might encourage people to join. Also I think the older type of pigeon man who was very successful but in it for the glory and not the money is dying out. I've been lucky enough to have two fanciers like this take me under their wing and help me with both birds and more importantly advice. There are too many big partnerships who have at least 3 in some case's 6-7 members whom some of don't work and are on the dole.

 

One round our way runs a business and employs one guy full time to be there all day through his business has a massive loft and has two other partners helping him. He is a big cheese now yet last year when he sold off most of his birds and only had his words small "30 birds'' race team he could win nothing at all. My full race team is only "30 birds.''. Yet big partnerships like this seem to get tons of kudos I'd rather respect the type of flyer who sends 8 birds to a race and cleans up thats pigeon racing to me.

 

One partnership sent 90 ybs to a race and then bragged about being in the top ten. Yet an oldtime flyer I know sent 20 birds a race and has won this race three times.

 

When your an normal working man its very hard to complete against these people even if your highly movaited and know how to race pigeons. If your a younger fancier i.e. 16/17 with not much money and knowledge as well as the time problems its even harder.

 

Problem is with pigeons nowadays is the expense and sheer amount of time it takes. Look at YB racing it used to be enjoyable and a chance for the novice to trounce the top man in the club now its so specalised its unreal darkness, lightness etc. Fair enough you don't have to use these methods but if you want to win you have to and it takes more and more time and money.

 

With a global recession looming its getting more and more worse. I'll always have pigeons in one form or other its in the blood but unless something improves I can't see many people getting involved in pigeons.

 

Some of these business men change 100 a yb for gods sake

[pjc]

some good points Paulo!

We have never advertised, maybe I should for a scrapper operative for our lofts?

 

Phil

[Guest Paulo]

some good points Paulo!

We have never advertised, maybe I should for a scrapper operative for our lofts?

 

Phil

 

see if you get me one as well

[Guest spin cycle]

Heres a thought for you when was the last time your club advertised either in the fancy press or outside? Most young people in this sport come from long established pigeon racing familys myself included. Myself and the other young lad in the club I'm 26 he's 29 dad's flew pigeons. I think pigeon racing is very much a closed shop and we don't make it easy for people to find out more information or join. Even websites for our organisations are a joke the NEHU is rubbish.

 

If maybe the clubs advertised in their local papers they might encourage people to join. Also I think the older type of pigeon man who was very successful but in it for the glory and not the money is dying out. I've been lucky enough to have two fanciers like this take me under their wing and help me with both birds and more importantly advice. There are too many big partnerships who have at least 3 in some case's 6-7 members whom some of don't work and are on the dole.

 

One round our way runs a business and employs one guy full time to be there all day through his business has a massive loft and has two other partners helping him. He is a big cheese now yet last year when he sold off most of his birds and only had his words small "30 birds'' race team he could win nothing at all. My full race team is only "30 birds.''. Yet big partnerships like this seem to get tons of kudos I'd rather respect the type of flyer who sends 8 birds to a race and cleans up thats pigeon racing to me.

 

One partnership sent 90 ybs to a race and then bragged about being in the top ten. Yet an oldtime flyer I know sent 20 birds a race and has won this race three times.

 

When your an normal working man its very hard to complete against these people even if your highly movaited and know how to race pigeons. If your a younger fancier i.e. 16/17 with not much money and knowledge as well as the time problems its even harder.

 

Problem is with pigeons nowadays is the expense and sheer amount of time it takes. Look at YB racing it used to be enjoyable and a chance for the novice to trounce the top man in the club now its so specalised its unreal darkness, lightness etc. Fair enough you don't have to use these methods but if you want to win you have to and it takes more and more time and money.

 

With a global recession looming its getting more and more worse. I'll always have pigeons in one form or other its in the blood but unless something improves I can't see many people getting involved in pigeons.

 

Some of these business men change 100 a yb for gods sake

 

this post sums up the whole problem. particulaly yb racing. it took me some time to realise that yb racing is not about educating the next generation of racers its about winning. with lots of yb lost its a money making opportunity for studs. its a risk but perhaps its time the sport divided into pro and amateur sections.