People who use Baytril

[Guest]

We've been using chisholm Trail Health products for years now Ed, and very rarely do we have to treat a sick bird. Personally I won't have Baytril in the lpoft, for the long term effect of it's overuse, kidney damage and infertility.

[birdman55678]

I agree with you Linda, although I do keep a bottle and syringe handy I have never used it.  In fact its undoubtedly out of date by now.  Ed

[Guest]

We've been using chisholm Trail Health products for years now Ed, and very rarely do we have to treat a sick bird. Personally I won't have Baytril in the lpoft, for the long term effect of it's overuse, kidney damage and infertility.

[Guest]

Look what's happened now, instead of a post being deleted I've got two and I never pressed a button, been in the kitchen messing with dinner

[birdman55678]

I suggest changing your password...

[blackjack]

Hello Mr Me all i know is that for livestock its first and primary use is for e coli scours in calves that is what our vet told me some years ago and he is a top notch large animal vet . For human use i do not know ?.

[me]

"Hello Mr Me all i know is that for livestock its first and primary use is for e coli scours in calves that is what our vet told me some years ago and he is a top notch large animal vet . For human use i do not know ?." - Blackjack

 

No hassle Blackjack just trying to fill in another part of the "picture" although I would add that Bayer market Baytril for use with poultry as well. cheers

[me]

"Don't follow your reasoning.

 

(1) Paratyphoid is a bacterial disease and you were prescribed an antibiotic for it. Baytril is another antibiotic." -Bruno

 

let me explain, not all antibiotics work in the same way. Baytril is an excellent bacteriacidal and works almost immediately. If the first antibiotic was a bacteriostatic e.g. Chloramphenicol and the salmonella challenge on the bird was too great when treatment started then the scenario outlined by Trapperjoe69 in his earlier post is perfectly reasonable. cheers

 

[Guest]

Look what's happened now, instead of a post being deleted I've got two and I never pressed a button, been in the kitchen messing with dinner

 

Why you dirty mouse!

 

Seriously tho, if you use a mouse Hyacinth, chances are that the buttons and the ball and its contacts have picked up oose or other debris, giving you a racy cursor and an iffy click  ;D (sure I'm going to pay for this  ;D )

 

You've clicked, you think you haven't and click again = two posts.

[Guest]

"Don't follow your reasoning.

 

(1) Paratyphoid is a bacterial disease and you were prescribed an antibiotic for it. Baytril is another antibiotic." -Bruno

 

let me explain, not all antibiotics work in the same way. Baytril is an excellent bacteriacidal and works almost immediately. If the first antibiotic was a bacteriostatic e.g. Chloramphenicol and the salmonella challenge on the bird was too great when treatment started then the scenario outlined by Trapperjoe69 in his earlier post is perfectly reasonable. cheers

 

Try again.

 

Here are the facts from the original post "my birds became ill, droppings green, paralysis of legs, wings & torsion of neck & poor balance, young birds started dying, i went to vet and was given an antibiotic, i felt it made them worse dying a lot quicker"

 

No vet hearing these symptoms would prescribe anything other than 'something' to kill the infection dead and stop the disease in its tracks. It is pointless to prescribe 'something to merely arrest an infection at its current level' - as you are inferring - when that level is currently killing the patients.

 

And I assume through actual investigation a bacterial disease was diagnosed by the vet before a prescription was issued. Then Trapperjoe69 felt the vet's prescription wasn't doing the job. He'd paid money for that service, and surely should have gone back to the vet. If the vet made the wrong call  .... change the prescription, no additional cost. Trapperjoe69 changed it himself and although it worked, it cost him more money.

 

But if Trapperjoe69 AND the vet both made the wrong call, this could have been full blown paramyxo. The man from the ministry does a real dirty job cleaning up afterwards. That usually costs a whole new flock of pigeons, a lot more than a return visit to the vet.

 

[me]

"Try again.

 

Here are the facts from the original post "my birds became ill, droppings green, paralysis of legs, wings & torsion of neck & poor balance, young birds started dying, i went to vet and was given an antibiotic, i felt it made them worse dying a lot quicker"

 

No vet hearing these symptoms would prescribe anything other than 'something' to kill the infection dead and stop the disease in its tracks. It is pointless to prescribe 'something to merely arrest an infection at its current level' - as you are inferring - when that level is currently killing the patients.

 

And I assume through actual investigation a bacterial disease was diagnosed by the vet before a prescription was issued. Then Trapperjoe69 felt the vet's prescription wasn't doing the job. He'd paid money for that service, and surely should have gone back to the vet. If the vet made the wrong call  .... change the prescription, no additional cost. Trapperjoe69 changed it himself and although it worked, it cost him more money.

 

But if Trapperjoe69 AND the vet both made the wrong call, this could have been full blown paramyxo. The man from the ministry does a real dirty job cleaning up afterwards. That usually costs a whole new flock of pigeons, a lot more than a return visit to the vet." - Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

Most of what you have posted above Bruno you have just made up to suit yourself and does not make a lot of sense, I am begining to think you know a lot less about these things than you make out!!

 

"full blown paramyxo" would not respond at all to Baytril never mind respond quickly. - Stop trying!!!

[Guest]

Most of what you have posted above Bruno you have just made up to suit yourself and does not make a lot of sense, I am begining to think you know a lot less about these things than you make out!!

 

"full blown paramyxo" would not respond at all to Baytril never mind respond quickly. - Stop trying!!!

 

 

 

This is the post you picked up on but cut it down to leave out point (2)

 

 

 

 

Don't follow your reasoning.

 

(1) Paratyphoid is a bacterial disease and you were prescribed an antibiotic for it. Baytril is another antibiotic.

 

(2) The symptoms you describe could be at least three diseases all caused by very different organisms. No amount of internet research will diagnose this for you. For example it could have been Paramyxo and Baytril won't cure it either, because it is a viral infection.

 

Some feel there are 'lots of vets' in the thread: my advice is as always stay well within the limits of your knowledge and experience. When you're faced with something big like you were, then visit a good avian vet [as you did] and follow the treatment advice. Only a vet could make the correct diagnosis in the case you describe, and prescribe correctly.

 

Again this is how you responded to my reply.

 

Most of what you have posted above Bruno you have just made up to suit yourself and does not make a lot of sense, I am begining to think you know a lot less about these things than you make out!!

 

"full blown paramyxo" would not respond at all to Baytril never mind respond quickly. - Stop trying!!!

 

 

Refer to my original post [top].

 

Once again you have shown yourself singularly incapable of grasping the basic facts of a very straight forward post. I suggest you do something, quickly, about your own condition cos yours appears to me to be the worst case of chronic foot-in-mouth disease I've come across, and its getting worse by the post.

 

[Guest Vic]

 

How many of you anti-BAYTRIL guys could rub shoulders with a champion by the name of Bert Braspennning?  Perhaps, some of you, may even have birds through his breeding. Well, in one his articles from not too long ago, he clearly states that he administers the use of BAYTRIL before breeding. Surely he is not the only continental big boy to use it? SO IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF YOU GUYS  THAT ARE SCORING WITH CONTINENTAL PIGEONS SHOULD THINK BEFORE YOU INK. Vic.   ;D

[blackjack]

Mr Vic i like nearly every flyer on this link i cannot match Mr Braspenning flying but i can produce a number of top notch vets both large stock and avian who strongly disagree as you said Vic is he Mr Braspenning as good as them as a vet ?.I wonder if you have thought of what happens when the birds build up ammunity to Baytril its not about winning its about commonsense and the birds immunity systems if you took anti biotics for anything they would soon be useless would you put your hand in the fire if Mr Braspenning said so?.

[Guest Vic]

Blackjack,     He,  (Braspenning) uses his own vet when needed, and I doubt if  he would use Baytril without  seeking his consultation. Furthemore, I believe that there is a better repertoir between fanciers and vets on the continent than there is in the UK. Most vets that Iv'e visited can't even handle a pigeon comfortably and in the majority of cases will readily agree with the fanciers own diagnosis. In fact, most vets in  this area are closed to pigeon fanciers. Vic.

[me]

"Once again you have shown yourself singularly incapable of grasping the basic facts of a very straight forward post. I suggest you do something, quickly, about your own condition cos yours appears to me to be the worst case of chronic foot-in-mouth disease I've come across, and its getting worse by the post." - Bruno

 

you tagged this on to the end of your "war and peace" like post above Bruno is this not what you usually call an "uncalled for insult" when you "moderate" everyone elses posts?"