Amoxycillin

[Guest]

no offence taken, i am just very anti the blind use of antibiotics.

As far as i'm concerned if anybody has a problem they should find out what the problem is and then treat it with correct medication.

There are to many fanciers who think they have a problem and just give a course of "cure it all" allowing secondry infections to set in!

 

Phil

 

Well said Phil. could'nt have put it better myself   :)

[pjc]

hello stranger! how you doing?

[invalidusername]

It's also surely important to give any antibiotic for the correct length of time. Otherwise it'll lead to poor response or the bird slipping back after dosing.  If this happens, or actually any blanket use, results in the production of resistant strains of organisms.

 

As pjc says, it's essential to properly diagnose before treating as scatter gun treatment often produces poor results.  More and more bacteria become resistant every day so you need a proper diagnosis first.  This is only my opinion based on human medicine, but it can't be that different!

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

amoxelin is for human use in 500mil tabs it can be given to birds at a rate of1ml per bird to cure most infections

[harky]

3 days after treating with any anti-biotic i would give them flight path ,full of good bacteria that helps replace all the bacteria killed by the A-B also helps fight bad bug build up in their gut . :)

[nigel holloway]

clamoxyl is the antibiotic given by vets at 40mg amoxixillin like was stated is for humans.clamoxyl is a amoxicillin bases antibiotic,but this is far to strong for pigeons. hope this helps.  nigel.clamoxyl is only given for severe infections and IS used for young bird sicknes as a last resort .

[ChrisMaidment08]

on istructions of top vet 1ml per bird    not500 which willdistroy everything   amoxcilin

[jakjak]

no offence taken, i am just very anti the blind use of antibiotics.

As far as i'm concerned if anybody has a problem they should find out what the problem is and then treat it with correct medication.

There are to many fanciers who think they have a problem and just give a course of "cure it all" allowing secondry infections to set in!

 

Phil

 

Spot on!

once you start using antibiotics, you are on a 'slippery slope'

[lofty]

Can I just say antibiotics do not strip natural immunity but they can kill beneficial bacteria and cause an upset which may allow bad bacteria and fungi to take over.

And also most drugs have side effects and make the birds feel ill and off form

 

In fact if the bird has several diseases incuding viral (which most antibiotics don't affect ) then giving a suitable antibiotic

to kill pathogenic bacteria Will in fact support the immune system. Becouse it can then concentrate on the viral (for example) disease alone and not have to divide attention between several diseases.

 

I am not advocating the indiscriminate use of any drugs (It is the attitude of the 'just give it once a week' brigade that has ruined a lot of antibiotics)

But the right drug at the right strength for the right amount of time should be the motto.

 

Anyway to answer the question

Amoxicillin is apparently very effective for STREPTOCOCUS BOVIS, as prophylaxis in injuries and also for  most strains of SALMONELLA. (hower it is not very effective for clearing 'carriers') as it does not penetrate the tissues as effectively as something like baytril therefore isolated pockets of infection can remain to flare up again once the drug is stopped.

It is not effective for chlamydia infections (the cause of many respiratory diseases)

 

regarding salmonella (Paratyphoid) to clear carriers

Baytrill should be given for a full 10 days. Also half way through and at the end of the treatment the loft should be thoroughly cleaned out preferably with a pressure hose, with something like bleach and every bird should have its feet washed in soapy water before rbeing returned to the loft otherwise the infection  will probably start up again.

 

Amoxicillin is also bacteriaCIDAL and will kill the bacteria directly so will work faster than antibiotics that are bacteriaSTATIC such as Erythromycin which only prevent the bacteia reproducing and leave them to be 'mopped up' by the immune system.

 

But as has been said already, ideally you would have a culture and sensitivity test done to find out which drug would be effective.

but in reality sick birds can not always wait 3-4 days for the result and need some treatment quickly so broad spectrum antibiotics are given in the hope of some effect!

Personally I wouldn't throw the drugs out provided it is stored correctly and is in date then it may come in handy!!!

Lofty

 

[Guest chrisss]

Can I just say antibiotics do not strip natural immunity but they can kill beneficial bacteria and cause an upset which may allow bad bacteria and fungi to take over.

And also most drugs have side effects and make the birds feel ill and off form

 

In fact if the bird has several diseases incuding viral (which most antibiotics don't affect ) then giving a suitable antibiotic

to kill pathogenic bacteria Will in fact support the immune system. Becouse it can then concentrate on the viral (for example) disease alone and not have to divide attention between several diseases.

 

I am not advocating the indiscriminate use of any drugs (It is the attitude of the 'just give it once a week' brigade that has ruined a lot of antibiotics)

But the right drug at the right strength for the right amount of time should be the motto.

 

Anyway to answer the question

Amoxicillin is apparently very effective for STREPTOCOCUS BOVIS, as prophylaxis in injuries and also for  most strains of SALMONELLA. (hower it is not very effective for clearing 'carriers') as it does not penetrate the tissues as effectively as something like baytril therefore isolated pockets of infection can remain to flare up again once the drug is stopped.

It is not effective for chlamydia infections (the cause of many respiratory diseases)

 

regarding salmonella (Paratyphoid) to clear carriers

Baytrill should be given for a full 10 days. Also half way through and at the end of the treatment the loft should be thoroughly cleaned out preferably with a pressure hose, with something like bleach and every bird should have its feet washed in soapy water before rbeing returned to the loft otherwise the infection  will probably start up again.

 

Amoxicillin is also bacteriaCIDAL and will kill the bacteria directly so will work faster than antibiotics that are bacteriaSTATIC such as Erythromycin which only prevent the bacteia reproducing and leave them to be 'mopped up' by the immune system.

 

But as has been said already, ideally you would have a culture and sensitivity test done to find out which drug would be effective.

but in reality sick birds can not always wait 3-4 days for the result and need some treatment quickly so broad spectrum antibiotics are given in the hope of some effect!

Personally I wouldn't throw the drugs out provided it is stored correctly and is in date then it may come in handy!!!

Lofty

 

cracking post this one of the best for a long time

[schouwman71]

Can I just say antibiotics do not strip natural immunity but they can kill beneficial bacteria and cause an upset which may allow bad bacteria and fungi to take over.

And also most drugs have side effects and make the birds feel ill and off form

 

In fact if the bird has several diseases incuding viral (which most antibiotics don't affect ) then giving a suitable antibiotic

to kill pathogenic bacteria Will in fact support the immune system. Becouse it can then concentrate on the viral (for example) disease alone and not have to divide attention between several diseases.

 

I am not advocating the indiscriminate use of any drugs (It is the attitude of the 'just give it once a week' brigade that has ruined a lot of antibiotics)

But the right drug at the right strength for the right amount of time should be the motto.

 

Anyway to answer the question

Amoxicillin is apparently very effective for STREPTOCOCUS BOVIS, as prophylaxis in injuries and also for  most strains of SALMONELLA. (hower it is not very effective for clearing 'carriers') as it does not penetrate the tissues as effectively as something like baytril therefore isolated pockets of infection can remain to flare up again once the drug is stopped.

It is not effective for chlamydia infections (the cause of many respiratory diseases)

 

regarding salmonella (Paratyphoid) to clear carriers

Baytrill should be given for a full 10 days. Also half way through and at the end of the treatment the loft should be thoroughly cleaned out preferably with a pressure hose, with something like bleach and every bird should have its feet washed in soapy water before rbeing returned to the loft otherwise the infection  will probably start up again.

 

Amoxicillin is also bacteriaCIDAL and will kill the bacteria directly so will work faster than antibiotics that are bacteriaSTATIC such as Erythromycin which only prevent the bacteia reproducing and leave them to be 'mopped up' by the immune system.

 

But as has been said already, ideally you would have a culture and sensitivity test done to find out which drug would be effective.

but in reality sick birds can not always wait 3-4 days for the result and need some treatment quickly so broad spectrum antibiotics are given in the hope of some effect!

Personally I wouldn't throw the drugs out provided it is stored correctly and is in date then it may come in handy!!!

Lofty

 

nice 1,and agree