SALMONELOSIS Or PARATIFOSIS

[rout]

hi i was just wondering if any of you treat anually for paratyphoid after the moult and if so what do you use :

[Guest]

YES YOUNG BIRDS ONLY WITH COLOMBOVAC PARATYPHUS VACCINE

[Guest Silverwings]

most of the lofts in our area use a product called baytril for paratyphoid mainly with young birds prior to racing .

[Guest]

PARATYPHUS IS A VIRUS YOU CAN NOT TREAT IT WITH ANTIBIOTICS  

[Guest]

SORRY SHOULD READ LIKE A VIRUS

[paul k]

Parastop by Belgica De Weerd, on direct instructions from the chief vet for belgica de weerd. once a year after the moult. Batryl is an expensive way to do it if you have a lot of birds.

[Guest Silverwings]

heathcote ,just had a quick look at baytril on the internet ? typed in BAYTRIL PARATYPHOID ! seems as though it is effective against paratyphoid as well as respratory infection ,bacterial infections etc ? ......take a look its there for all to see ?

[Guest]

silverwings

there are 5 main symptoms in paratyhoid- nervous form loss of balance /twisting neck/lying oh it's side the neck twisted and gazing up /heads down between the legs and thay fall over backwards/some of the cocks are sterile there is no 100% effective treatment if it's paratyphoid baytril my clear the wet droppings but the liver-spleen-and kidneys are affected, SOME MAY BE CARRIERS (  I KNOW I HAVE BEEN THERE  )

[Guest]

Humble opinion - mix up from the start. Question was paratyphoid, answer was paratyphus.  

 

These are two different BACTERIAL diseases. 'typhus is caused by staph & strep; 'typhoid is caused by salmonella.

 

I think the only 'preventative treatment' might be improved hygiene.

[Guest]

THAY BOTH HAVE THE SAME SYMPTPMS IN PIGEONS

[Guest]

PARATYPHOID IS CAUSED BY THE SALMONELLA ENTERICA SEROVAL PARATYHPI

 

PARATYPHUS IS CAUSED BY SALLMONELLA TYPHIMURIUM VAR COPENHAEGHEN

                                                                                                        SALLMONELLA BEING THE COMNON DENOMINATOR

THE DISEASES APPEARS EVEN IN THE MOST METICULOUSLY KEPT AND CLEAN LOFTS

THE BEST POSSIBLE TREATMENT IS TO VACCINATION

[Guest]

Apologies, Heathcote, paratyphus and paratyphoid now appear to be 'interchangeable' names for the disease caused by salmonella. Wasn't always the case and I believe it is misleading and confusing.  

 

Following information is taken from the Chevita website. Most of the other websites I visited also use 'osis' to describe these diseases.

 

Bacterial secondary infections

 

Pathogens/Cause:

Bacteria, like streptococci (Streptococcus faecalis, Streptococcus gallinarum), staphylococci (Staphylococcus aureus).

 

Streptococcosis is an uncommon acute or chronic bacterial disease that can occur in pigeons. Contaminated feed or water and infected birds transmit the streptococci. The bacteria enter through body openings and breaks in the skin. Generally only a few birds in a flock become infected at any one time.

 

Staphylococcus organisms occur worldwide. They commonly reside on the skin and mucous membranes without causing infection. The potential for bacterial infection largely resides in the degree of resistance that the host is capable of mobilizing.

 

 

Symptoms of bacterial infections:

Salmonellosis-like symptoms. Diarrhoea, listlessness, paralysis, emaciation particularly in young pigeons. Abscess-like nodules in all organs, especially the intestine.

 

Recognition of the disease:

Bacterial examination of droppings and tissue.

 

Treatment:

See treatment plan "general bacterial infections".

 

Prevention:

Hygienic loft conditions. Observe general rules of prevention (e.g. disinfection by using disinfectants).

 

 

[Guest]

Please use extreme caution when using Baytril it can render your birds sterile, personally I would never have it in the loft.

 

[Guest]

hyacinth

 

it is not the baytril that can render the cocks sterile it the salmonella that you are useing baytril to treat

 

baytril is most valuable antibiotic in pigeon medlcine it is the only antibiotic that will cure birds of salmonellosis      USE IT DON'T ABUSE IT

[Guest]

BRUNO

No apologies necessary, if we all post the same answer's it would be a very boring sight keep the good wock up .

 

hygiene and disinfectants are very inportent to stop it spreading in the loft if you have got it, but it will not stop you geting it, you can get from the race brsket  

[Guest]

Just a thought on the thread.  

 

Baytril (antibiotic = antibacteria) is prescription-only in the UK. I know that some bring it in (in bulk) from outside the country for indiscrimate distribution here.

 

TWO bacterial diseases, similar or same symptoms. Different organisms cause them, possibly different treatments too; Add PMV: a viral disease, also similar symptoms, different treatment again. Easy for fancier to misdiagnose?

 

Wondered if there was a case for professional links between Homing Organisations and avian vets, with a view to getting a 'subsidised' range of veterinary services including annual loft check and PMV etc vaccinations? Might give DEFRA / MAFF less reason / ability to get on our backs as often?

 

 

[Guest shadow]

Do not treat the affected birds remove them and let all birds build up their own natural immunity if you keep proping up the weak pigeond you will finish up with a loft full of carriers or duffers. rid your lofts of weaklings from the hatching eggs onwards no matter how much its parents cost.. If everybody did it there would be less Y/B sickness and Y/B losses.

 

Quality not Quantity

[Guest]

Use Pro-biotics and you will find there is very little chance of the birds getting ill. I have started to use Cider Vinegar & Probiotics on alternate days right through the winter and their droppings are perfect, with down feathers all over.

[jimmy white]

one of the main causes of salmonella salmonelosis, paratyphoid ,pararatyphus,call it what you want, is mice, its one of the worst deseases you can have in the loft.

it can rear its ugly head, genarations after the so called infected bird, it can cause the cocks to become sterile, and dead in the shell ybs etc one of the first noticable things are the drooped wing, fanciers will swear blind the bird has injured itself, its not. its paratyphoid, theyll nurse this bird on , it will improve [they think] it will allways have a faulty wing ,flying slightly lop sided, one wing going faster than the other, this bird is deadly to have in the loft.allthough it may look well enough, its a carrier and should not be in the loft, paratyphoid can have the same symtoms as paromyxovirus, personally i would not treat  these birds as it would be too dangerous to the rest.

[sean75]

could anybody please tell me where i could get somthing to treat 4 paratiphoid please i am new to this site ;D

[Guest]

You've double-posted Sean.  

 

Not sure if you're asking for advice on treatment or prevention.  :-/

 

Treatment : I think is a vet job, will prescribe a suitable antibiotic.

 

Prevention : Understand colombovac do 'paratyphus vaccine'. Not seen it advertised in UK pigeon press, maybe try their website for a supplier?

[andy]

SEAN, A DE WEERD PRODUCT CALLED PARASTOP. UK AGENT PAUL SMITH REGENCY LOFTS. USUALLY A FULL PAGE ADVERT IN BHW MOST WEEKS.

[Guest]

To stop any bad bacteria getting hold, use a Probiotic, I use something called Regucol, its a product you get at Holland and Barrat and mine get the every other day during the winter and 2 times a week in the race season, it keeps the droppings perfect.

[Guest]

Paratyphus

 

 

Paratyphus is caused by a bacteria called Salmonella Typhimurium var. Copenhaeghen.

Paratyphus is a very difficult disease because in most of the times it is a subclinical disease, this means that you don’t see anything at a pigeon, that can be infected with the bacteria!! The bacteria can be present for a long time, before you ever saw any problem.

Way of infection

Most of the time the pigeons will be infected orally, the bacteria goes into the intestines and further on it will go via blood and lymph into the different organs, which can lead to abscesses over there.

The origin of infection is most of the time feed or water that is dirty and infected with Salmonella, the baskets, feral pigeons, but also pigeons you just bought can be a source of infection.

It is also possible that the embryos already are infected during the fertilization or afterwards when the bacteria goes into the shell of the egg.

Symptoms

Be aware if a pigeon (breeder) suddenly starts to loose weight, a bit diarrhea, and (in most cases) dies very fast. In that case you always have to think on paratyphus that can be the cause. Especially during moult and the breeding period, the pigeons are a bit stressed, and have not so much resistance against all diseases. When Salmonella is slumbering in your loft, it can suddenly explode. Than you can see pigeons with a wing node, they can’t fly into their nests, they are crippled… Now and then you can see that they turn with their head and that there are different little abscesses especially on the head.

During breeding season, the lay can be delayed, plenty of clear or black eggs can be seen. Also youngsters from 5-10 days old can die in the nest, or they don’t grow up like they should do, have some diarrhea, are paralised or the feathers are not developed like it should be.

The greatest problem with Salmonella is that there are plenty of subclinical carriers. The pigeons don’t look ill, but they can secrete the bacteria and infect the other pigeons without you ever saw something.

Be careful with pigeons you just bought, put them in quarantine, and screen them if you are not sure about the absence of salmonellosis!!

 

Diagnosis

To be sure you have or (even better) don’t have paratyphus in your lofts, there are two possibilities.

Bloodsamples are good to detect the presence of the bacteria when the test is positive, when the test is negative, you can’t be sure your pigeons don’t have the bacteria. You can also determine the level of a specific blood parameter, that can give us an indication of the presence of an infection with paratyphus earlier.

A more suitable way of diagnosis is the bacteriological culture on samples of the droppings you gathered for 5 days . Why 5 days? If you only take the droppings of one day it can be possible that the level of the bacteria at that specific moment was very low, so the result is for that moment negative. If you take droppings from 5 days the reliability of the test will be much higher!!

Of course, if the number of pigeons is very high in one loft, it would be better to divide the loft into different samples, so the presence of the bacteria will not be much diluted, and the reliability of the test is in that way also high!! You can compare that with a loft of 100 pigeons with one white-flight in. It is much more difficult to recognize the white –flight in 100 pigeons than when he is in a loft with only 20 pigeons.

You can take some samples of the different lofts, or also from specific pigeons that you just bought or that don’t do the thing you expected from.

Remedy

Fighting against paratyphus is not an easy job, don’t underestimate it!!!

Two important things you have to remember:

Sanitation of the lofts and Medical part.

Sanitation of the loft is very important, and means that you have to kill all the pigeons that are infected with the bacteria After this you have to clean the loft and disinfect it (for example with javel or CID)

Pigeons that are of great value, you can put in quarantine, treat them and only let them in the flock when you are sure they are negative for paratyphus, this means, only when the culture of the droppings is negative.

Stop the breeding immediately, because the youngsters will almost always be right away infected.

Racing and overcrowding is of no good!!

 

Medical part exists out of two parts.

Antibiotics, such as Baytril®, is one of the most effective drugs against paratyphus for the moment.

Many people ask if it is right to treat their lofts against paratyphus, before the breeding or racing period, and also, with which medication?

It is difficult to give here a very quick answer, because there are many factors to keep in mind.

First off all, if it is not necessary to treat, don’t treat.

But it is very difficult to know when it is necessary or not. To know if you have paratyphus in your loft, you can do a bacteriologic culture of the droppings, if this is negative it is better to treat the pigeons, if you want to treat them preventive against paratyphus, with trimethoprim-sulfonamides (f.e. Cosumix®).

Vaccination against paratyphus is also very good curative.

The death vaccines are a very good help curative, after you treated the pigeons for minimum 10 days with an antibiotic, then you vaccinate them. In that way they become stronger and will be able to shedder the bacteria less.

Preventive it is not so good, it will be able to diminish the death caused by paratyphus but they can still become ill.

Living, weakened vaccines should give a better immunity preventive.

If you vaccinate, do this always after a treatment, if you don’t do this, it can be possible that the pigeons are already infected before the vaccination and that they become ill due to the vaccination. Vaccination is the same as giving the pigeons the disease, but weakened, so they can make a resistance, and will not be ill!!

Vaccinate always as prescribed!!

After all this, it is of the greatest importance to screen your lofts very frequently. After you had some troubles, you have to let make a culture of the droppings after 2 months, when this is negative, then you have to do this every 6 months.

Even if you don’t see any problem, it is very important to know if your loft is infected –even subclinical- with paratyphus. A screening before breeding and a screening before racing is recommended!!

It is of a very high importance how you take the different samples!!.

Like I said earlier, the bacteria is secreted not continuously. This makes that there are some important things to remember when you take samples of the droppings to let them analyze for Salmonellosis.

Lofts: When you want to screen your lofts, without having or seeing specific problems, you have to take samples from every pigeon in that loft, during 5 days. If you, however, have lofts with high quantities of pigeons (more than 20), it would be better to divide that in to different virtual sections. In that way, you are more sure that you will have the best accuracy off your test.

Individual pigeons: When you have a pigeon that is not looking very healthy, or a pigeon you bought and you are afraid that it could be infected with paratyphus, don’t hesitate to screen them. You can do that by taking some samples of blood, but, for the moment more reliable, is the culture of droppings. Take 5 days the droppings of that specific pigeon and take it to your vet to have a culture on it.

Make sure your samples don’t become to dry, put them in a little plastic bag or a little box you can close.

 

 

[snowy]

good post