Multi vts

[No 1]

Why do you give your birds multi vits ????????

 

What advantage does it give your bird's ??????

[ryesway]

Why do you give your birds multi vits ????????

 

What advantage does it give your bird's ??????

the way i understand it if your birds have been treated for one thing or another, then always give vits to put back what you took out of em

 

 

[Guest]

every living thing needs vits some we get from different foods(the birds are no different) but the birds when put under stress of racing use them more than if they were not racing/breeding so they have to be replaced quickly to allow them to regain full fitness asap for the next race and to keep them in good health its all about balance you cant put it out without putting it in only my oppinion and you entilted to yours but i will continue to give them

[ryesway]

every living thing needs vits some we get from different foods(the birds are no different) but the birds when put under stress of racing use them more than if they were not racing/breeding so they have to be replaced quickly to allow them to regain full fitness asap for the next race and to keep them in good health its all about balance you cant put it out without putting it in only my oppinion and you entilted to yours but i will continue to give them

that sounds about right to mate  

 

 

[Guest stb]

every living thing needs vits some we get from different foods(the birds are no different) but the birds when put under stress of racing use them more than if they were not racing/breeding so they have to be replaced quickly to allow them to regain full fitness asap for the next race and to keep them in good health its all about balance you cant put it out without putting it in only my oppinion and you entilted to yours but i will continue to give them

frank buy some coma's for you keyboard.  am nackered reading that in one breath..lol

 

 

[Guest]

frank buy some coma's for you keyboard.  am nackered reading that in one breath..lol

 

 

i joined the army to kill the enemy not take their names  ;D ;D ;D thats one finger typing for you

[Guest stb]

 

i joined the army to kill the enemy not take their names  ;D ;D ;D thats one finger typing for you

fek us comas u nearly killed me ,,,lol

 

 

[Guest]

you want to see my hand writing you would need to get a doctor to read it :P

[Guest]

Why do you give your birds multi vits ????????

 

What advantage does it give your bird's ??????

 

so why do you think they dont need them?

[ryesway]

looks like brewers yeast it is then frank thanks alot rye  

[No 1]

Like you, we use brewer's yeast, they do not need anything else, the more you pump into them, the more they have to get rid of, overworking the liver/kidney when there's no need, all extra effort, they can put that effort into racing, if you fly the door system with young bird's, try a section.

[ryesway]

Like you, we use brewer's yeast, they do not need anything else, the more you pump into them, the more they have to get rid of, overworking the liver/kidney when there's no need, all extra effort, they can put that effort into racing, if you fly the door system with young bird's, try a section.

how often do you give brewers yeast , through racing , treating, and through the winter months , thanks rye

 

 

[Guest Owen]

One of the problems, these days is the fact that most of the grain is grown by using artificial fertilisers. The result is, that the farmers get plenty of grain but because it is forced it is does not contain all the vitamins and minerals it would if it was grown naturally. Besides that, a lot of it is harvested before it ripens properly. That means that things like natural sugars are not produced in the grain. A bit like Tesco's fruit and veg. Strawberries that tast bitter and plums that are not sweet.

To compensate for the things that are lacking in the grain we have to use vitamines and minerals. If we fail to do this we end up with pigeons that subclinically ill. Then when pigeons become properly ill and require antibiotics we should give them vitimines to help them get their systems back to a healthy state. If the antibiotics do their job they will have killed all the harmful bacteria. The problem lies in the fact that antibiotics are indiscriminate and will have killed the good bacteria as well. We then have a race on our hands, because we need to fill the void with good bacteria as quickly as possible. To do this we try to flood the bird's gut with both probiotics and vitimins to sort of prime it's system and get it back to health before some other nasty bacteria occupies the space. Obviously if we use vitamins and minerals regularly and carefully as part of our routine management, we should not have sick birds requiring drastic treatment such as antibiotics. Because, at the end of the day, regular use of antibiotics will do nothing but harm. That's why we have lethal bacteria in our Hospitals waiting to kill us. Docters have over used antibiotics in the past, to such an extent that the bugs are now resistant to the antibiotics that used to kill them. So now it is us the dies.

[No 1]

Rye,

 

When the bird's are put under stress, eg :- after race (no later in week than tuesday), on second feed after racing,before and after injections, 2 days before, miss a couple, 2 more day,s, breeding/stock/ moultimg, twice a week.

 

Natural fresh lemon juice on corn for race bird's or grapefruit juice, then add brewer's yeast.

 

We also use sunflower oil in the winter months, moulting and breeding.

 

 

[ryesway]

cheers No1, and that was a good read owen   the only thing that worries me is yeast infection, no nothing about it or symptoms of it ,so if i add one day aweek of cider vinegar would this combat that

[No 1]

Totally different yeast, cider vinegar just makes them shine, if you do decide to use cider vinegar, make sure it's organic.

[ryesway]

Totally different yeast, cider vinegar just makes them shine, if you do decide to use cider vinegar, make sure it's organic.

cheers for No1 going to give it go  

 

 

[Guest Owen]

Pigeons, like humans, often get yeast infection after treatment with antibiotics. Ask your wife, women know about such things. The best way to avoid yeast infection is to avoid aintibiotics. On the other hand, if you are forced to use them, make sure you give them the whole course. Rest them after for a period and build them up. Rysway is right, cider vinegar can be good to help them to aquire that final bit of condition. But I am sure that it does not do all that is claimed for it, and it certainly does not help to deal with yeast infection.

The Vets prescribe Nystatine for yeast.

I almost never use antibiotics because I have found better ways of dealing with the dreaded YBS. There are a list of things you can do to help you avoid this terrible scourge. I will pm you later today and you can tell me what you make of my ideas.

I this area, Pontypool, South Wales, I am told that YBS is running wild in a lot of the lofts. Some of them are owned by notable names in the sport. Training young pigeons is going on at a furious rate and I am sure that the sick birds will end up in both the training and racing crates. Then there is the problem of peregrine falcon attacks futher complicating matters. It is no wonder that young pigeons are going down to big losses. I think you need to check and double check the condition of your youngsters to avoid throwing them away.

As a rule of thumb, I open the door of the loft and let them come out quietly and they should take off and enjoy a good fly. If and when young pigeons loose their appetite for a good fly, you should have a serious look at what is happening. Another indication, are the sounds that come from the loft. It should be buzzing. If the sounds become less and things quieten down, you need to pay attention. It can be the first signs of trouble.

[Guest IB]

Think if vitamins come out of a bottle, they'll be synthetic; maybes same chemical composition as the 'real' thing, but no guarantees they will do same job.

 

Was taught at school vitamins (and minerals) are only required in very small amounts. How small was brought home only recently by an article on Vegetarian diets which says if you stopped taking B12 today, it would be 20 years before the vitamin deficiency showed.

 

 

 

[Guest Owen]

IB you are right, of course. I like to use natural things to provide the vitamins because, as you say, what comes in a bottle or a packet are synthetic. I was told by a man who's job it was to know these things, that the two most underated vitamines are D and C. It was later confirmed by a leading Vet. We all know about the B vitamines and the important thing about them is the fact that birds do not store it for long. That is why we have to make it available regularly.

[Guest Taylors Choice]

Well as our birds are kept in an un-natural environment - they cannot recieve all of the vitamins, trace elements or minerals that they need from corn alone so i think it is extremely important for supplements are given on a regular bases.

[Guest IB]

IB you are right, of course. I like to use natural things to provide the vitamins because, as you say, what comes in a bottle or a packet are synthetic. I was told by a man who's job it was to know these things, that the two most underated vitamines are D and C. It was later confirmed by a leading Vet. We all know about the B vitamines and the important thing about them is the fact that birds do not store it for long. That is why we have to make it available regularly.

 

First consider what might already be available to the bird and how this compares in quality with synthetics. For example, using normal preen gland secretion, the bird can make its own Vitamin D (provided it has access to sunlight); and I think we humans also share with it the ability to make our own Vitamin C, us on our skin, again in sunlight. I have also come across the odd reference to gut bacteria making vitamins, including Vitamin B12 which supposedly can't be had from plants (said to be available only from animal sources) yet ruminants make it by 'fermenting' the said plants, - bacterial action - a lot more might be possible (and happening in the gut) that we don't take account of..

[NW USA]

Sorry to go off topic, can anyone tell me how long it generally takes a pigeon to digest and eliminate the waste from a meal?

[CREBAG]

Pigeons dont need multi vits, probiotics, brewers yeast, electrolytes, or 99% of the crap we have all at some point given them, they get everything they need from food, water and good old fashioned grit.  Most supplements were made for profit not for the birds.  atb.