anyone help?

[lofty]

recently bought some wests which I thought were very tame

but on closer inspection they can't seem to eat very well -keep missing the grains,

six can't seem to fly at all and one seems to peck at imaginary objects

in front of its face (goes cross eyed when its doing it ) droppings are normall

but they just seem to stand around on the loft floor. in complete contrast to my rollers which are always active 'clapping their wings' and courting all the time

I have started giving the new birds  vitamins individually incase they have some vitamin deficiency .

the only other thing I have noticed is they seem to have 'staring' eyes !??

any one any ideas?

Lofty

 

[madmaxlofts]

id split them up staight away keep the ill ones well away or theyll all get it

sounds like para to me

id bin the infected 1ns

but thats me ruthless but some times uve got to be

[Guest]

defo sounds like para m8 neva been in that position with them fact aint eva seen it so would do what madmaxlofts suggests

[Guest]

I agree with the sentiments in the last posts, but I would go further and get shot of them right away.

 

Honestly don't know what is wrong with them, disease seems to be attacking brain and central nervous system. I thought it was paramyxo, but would have expected very watery droppings with it. Main point is whatever it is, your other birds are at serious risk of getting it too.

 

Cull them out, or take them back where you bought them, clean & disinfect everything.

 

 

[Guest Vic]

DEF a  DEF contact, :

[westy]

i would do as all said on here.

[jimmy white]

COULD be paramyxo or salmonella ,,,,,,needs action,,,,quick

[Tony C]

Have seen a cock pigeon that had paramyxo, he got over it but as soon as he was stressed or started chasing his hen the symptoms (star gazing, neck twisting) came back bar the watery/loose droppings.

[lofty]

Update

and thanks to all who have responded

I have culled the six worst affected birds that couldn't fly and the other two (who seem OK) are housed well away from the others and get seen to last,incase I carry anything on my clothes.

 

All other birds are now vaccinated against PMV including some young birds in the nest just feathered up (hope they are not too young)?

stepped up the vitamins and now have to wait with fingers crossed for the next few weeks that that was the end of it.

I am kicking myself (A) becouse I should have kept the birds away from the others untill I was sure they were OK and ( becouse I have had the vaccine in the fridge for the last 6 weeks  and didn't make time to give it to them earlier.

??)

Lofty

[Guest shadow]

Update

and thanks to all who have responded

I have culled the six worst affected birds that couldn't fly and the other two (who seem OK) are housed well away from the others and get seen to last,incase I carry anything on my clothes.

 

All other birds are now vaccinated against PMV including some young birds in the nest just feathered up (hope they are not too young)?

stepped up the vitamins and now have to wait with fingers crossed for the next few weeks that that was the end of it.

I am kicking myself (A) becouse I should have kept the birds away from the others untill I was sure they were OK and ( becouse I have had the vaccine in the fridge for the last 6 weeks  and didn't make time to give it to them earlier.

??)

Lofty

Personally I would have culled all the new birds the others may not show any sign but could be carriers

 

 

[jimmy white]

you say tony, that the bird had paramyxo,, then got it again,, birds that have recovered from paramyxo usualy are left with some sort of permanent nerve damage i,e, head to the side or the likes, but as i understand it couldnt catch it again, i was just wondering if it def was paramyxo and not salmonella , both similar symtoms ,, but salmonella often leaves ,,cariers , and can spring up at anytime , with these cariers [that can actualy look well],,just a thought

[Tony C]

you say tony, that the bird had paramyxo,, then got it again,, birds that have recovered from paramyxo usualy are left with some sort of permanent nerve damage i,e, head to the side or the likes, but as i understand it couldnt catch it again, i was just wondering if it def was paramyxo and not salmonella , both similar symtoms ,, but salmonella often leaves ,,cariers , and can spring up at anytime , with these cariers [that can actualy look well],,just a thought

 

Jimmy Don't think it was a case of catching paramyxo again but think there must have been some brain damage done when it had it. Paramyxo or salmonella ? The fancier who's pigeon it was told me it was paramyxo that it had previously (don't know if he had them tested or not). By the action I observed (twisting neck) whilst he was driving he's hen I would say it was typical of paramyxo. But was it? Pigeons that I've seen that have contracted salmonella and apparently got over it have shown either a swollen joint in one of its legs or damage done to one of its wings (more times than not the wing damage is only noticeable when the pigeon is in flight). I'm not disputing it could've been salmonella but in this case from what I see I believe it to be an after effect of paramyxo.

 

lol The two of us could be wrong and you right and you know what they say, 2 Wongs don't make a right.....but they make a blinding chop suey  ;D ;D

[Guest]

There are at least three diseases which have very similar symptoms, including the 'nervous' symptoms. I for one would never guess which was which on an open forum, the only person who can tell you that is a vet, and in one, paramyxo, in this country anyway, your vet will involve the state vet as its a notifiable disease.

 

Good call anyway; good lesson too. Never put strangers straight in with your own birds, go for a 10 - 14 days 'quarantine' period first, no matter who they come from. Note too that PMV vaccine is also said to help cure the disease, and after vaccination, no other birds to get near newly vaccinated birds for 14 days. Young birds minimum age is given as 21 days, but in the circumstances, think I'd have done feathered youngsters too. As I said, good call.  

[Guest slugmonkey]

I quarintine much longer usally 2-3 months if a breeder

[Guest]

if u havent already then vaccinate against para  asap,even birds u suspect might be coming down with it, ...paul ...best of luck

[andy h]

there is only 1 place for sick birds with all this thats going on

IN THE BIN you canbe sure if 1 gets bad the all will follow dont try to cure them because it will always carry it . DONT CURE IT GET RID AND FAST

[Guest]

there is only 1 place for sick birds with all this thats going on

IN THE BIN you canbe sure if 1 gets bad the all will follow dont try to cure them because it will always carry it . DONT CURE IT GET RID AND FAST

 

Couple of well known published vets who are also pigeon fanciers blame this kind of thinking (which was the way everybody thought 'yesterday') for lack of knowledge on pigeons in vet circles today. If you don't know what the disease is  and what causes it, you've no chance of making sure that yours don't get it, or stopping its spread.

 

 

[jimmy white]

 

Jimmy Don't think it was a case of catching paramyxo again but think there must have been some brain damage done when it had it. Paramyxo or salmonella ? The fancier who's pigeon it was told me it was paramyxo that it had previously (don't know if he had them tested or not). By the action I observed (twisting neck) whilst he was driving he's hen I would say it was typical of paramyxo. But was it? Pigeons that I've seen that have contracted salmonella and apparently got over it have shown either a swollen joint in one of its legs or damage done to one of its wings (more times than not the wing damage is only noticeable when the pigeon is in flight). I'm not disputing it could've been salmonella but in this case from what I see I believe it to be an after effect of paramyxo.

 

lol The two of us could be wrong and you right and you know what they say, 2 Wongs don't make a right.....but they make a blinding chop suey  ;D ;D

 

tony i must apologise i read your post wrongly,,, i thought you meant the paramyxo came back ,,,it was just the symtoms that came back going through the stress of driving,,got you now :)not the actual desease. it could be as you say the after effects of the desease made worse by stress.,, as for the salmonella, i have to say i have seen birds proove positive for this looking absolutely normal , these are the carriers , as you say sometimes they can be left with wing damage noticable in flight,ie flying lop sided or limping or swollen joints on the legs, but there are cases with birds had salmonella and show no symtoms, these, in my opinion are the danger ones , but i get your drift now , i misread that slightly :) just send me up the chop suey ;D ;D ;D you can get them delivered for £1 50  mr wong would get a fright if you ordered one for my address ;) ;D

[mO]

ACV is a good Preventative of Salmonella, being ACID and Salmonella preferes an Alkaline environment.

I would put all the birds on Vircon s in the drinkers for  3 days to prevent any possible spread.

 

hope the above helps mO.

[BIGK]

Who ever sold you these birds is in bigger bother than you, what has he said about it? and has he stopped sellling birds out of his/her loft??

[Bilco]

mO  - you suggest that Salmonella favours an alkali environment ?  It flourishes between pH of 4 and 8, but if you alkalise the environment to pH of over 8, to 9, 10 or even 11, the salmonella will die rapidly.  All slurry tank treatments now used on farms where slurry has to be disposed of on the land, add Carbonates to the tanks (alkali) which renders the tank content inert within 24 hours.