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[Guest pigeon82]

Paramixovirus. Classic symptoms. Watery droppings squirting everywhere. Probably the tips of the flights are dropping off. Next it will be the twisted necks (star gazing).

You should go to see a Vet to confirm what it is. It is a notifiable disease. Newcastle Disease in Chicken.

If I am right you could'nt have vaccinated your birds and neither have Louella.

I would ring Louella and tell him what has been said and threaten him with being reported to the Ministry of Ag. If I am right he will trip over himself to accomadate you. If the Ministry find paramixo on his premises they will close him down.

By the way, thanks for telling us all about this. It is important that we know what people like Louella are doing. How the heck does he carry on doing business if he delivers pigeons that are sick and dying?

 

with reference to your last about louella i have birds from there and there is nothing wrong with mine you cant gurantee thats where it is from in my loft the birds are doing brilliant in racing but you cant just accuse someone mate everyone looks for someone to blame but it can come on in any pigeon at anytime

 

 

[pjc]

 

with reference to your last about louella i have birds from there and there is nothing wrong with mine you cant gurantee thats where it is from in my loft the birds are doing brilliant in racing but you cant just accuse someone mate everyone looks for someone to blame but it can come on in any pigeon at anytime

 

 

You may have just been lucky as there have been many reports of birds becoming sick very soon after being received from Louella!

They say they vaccinate all birds prior to shipping but the vaccine can take upto a few weeks to become effective if you read the info sent with the vaccine. The birds therefore are probably becoming sick due to the stress of being weaned, jabbed, stuck in a box and shipped off!

But the desease tat manifests itself must be being carried by the bird for it to develop.

[Guest IB]

back last year i had probs with my youngbirds...showing signs of it...but not the twisting of the necks...some believe it may have mutated??..as there were loads of it reported around the country.

i hadnt vaccinated at that point ...i disposed of 26 late bred youngsters from one of my other lofts..14 were bred for me by two top guys..they were ones i also got rid of.

the 40 plus i had in a seperate loft ..older ones ..who had it 1st...i did something that could be of useful info for some...i vaccinated them!!...within 3 days they were looking better and flapping.

within a week or so after that they were allowed out...20mins flying back down...3 days later an hour....i now know that this could have kicked their kidneys and imune system into action....

 

I asked if the birds had been vaccinated during the outbreak because Wim Peter's recommends vaccination in his book 'Fit to Win 2' and states it seems to help in recovery. Colombovac and Nobilis instruct us to vaccinate only healthy pigeons???

[Guest wattle]

 

Well done. I've posted over the years about pigeons being able to cure themselves of illnesses, even viral attacks, and you are the first member to prove that fact through first hand experience (of paramyxo).

 

Is it possible to provide more info?

 

(1) You imported 12 birds which all  died - Had these birds been vaccinated against paramyxo prior to leaving the Stud?

 

(2) Your own birds were all infected, 35 'bad' / 40 'other'.  Had either group not been vaccinated against paramyxo prior to illness striking your loft? (Looking for reason for difference)

 

(3) 66 survived - i.e 9 died. Had the 9 that died been vaccinated against paramyxo prior to the disease striking your loft?

 

(4) Did you vaccinate any of your birds against paramyxo during the outbreak?

 

none of my birds had been vaccinated against the virus this year, eccept the 12 from louella all birds were vaccinated last year,

[Guest wattle]

Well done getting them through it but i'm not sure they will be imune now though!

As has been stated some may be carriers so all need to vaccinated if you havn't already done so.

Did the Liecester outfit refund your money for the rubbish you were sent and or compensate you for all the trouble you have had?

 

Phil

 

no money refunded,diden't want to know about it.

shower of assholes thats all louella are.

[Guest Owen]

Pigeon82

if the pigeons were healthy and then vaccinated properly, they would not contract paramixovirus. So if the birds from Louella turn out to have paramixovirus it will mean that they either were not vaccinatated or not vaccinated properly. It is just the same for the birds at the loft. Either they were not vaccinated or not vaccinated properly. That is of course if it is confirmed that they have indeed got paramixovirus. That is why I said that a Vet should be involved.

And if a Vet confirmed that it is paramixovirus and that Louella or anyone else supplied these birds, I would definately take Court Action to resolve the issue.

One last thing. I am not saying that Louella supplied sick pigeons, because I do not know the facts. All I know about Louella is that when I bought some birds from them several years ago, the birds were in good health and I was happy with them. I also think that when ever new stock is brought in to a loft there should be a period of isolation to ensure that either the new or the old stock can not contaminate each other.

[Guest pigeon82]

i understand where your coming from owen but just read his last post he has not vaccinated one bird this year to try and keep the diseases down all birds must be vaccinated every year to be partly cure no offence but this could be down to himself partly not get them vaccinated and now hes suffering sorry wattle but this could be a lesson well learned

[Guest wattle]

every year i vaccinate my pigeons one month before i start racing, and i start racing 3rd week in may, when i got the louella birds on 20-4-09 so my birds had not bieng vaccinated,

three days after getting the louella birds the were showing full symptoms of the virus, and then all my birds got the virus.  

[Novice]

 

Well done good to see it didn't get you down. The only thing I would say is that perhaps some didn't go down with it and may still be carriers (hope I'm wrong), maybe paramixo, maybe paratyphoid. I would treat for paratyphoid early winter, Baytril for 10 days and then vaccinate, if you can get hold of vaccine, it was hard to get last winter, just my opinion but you've done the right thing going to the vet, he should be the expert

 

I have been told by an imminent Vertrinary Authority that pigeons which have had PMV can occasionally contract paratyphoid as a side effect. The above seems like good advice.

 

 

[Guest Owen]

I know for sure that a lot of Fanciers try to get away with not vaccinating their birds. I have been asked to look at several this year that have turned out to have serious diseases. Believe me when I say that it is just not worth the gamble. Both paramixovirus and paratyphoid are waiting to strike at any time. And once the birds get these things, not many are any good after.

I have a habit of looking at pigeons in the training crates and the race panniers, and I don't always like what I see. Pigeons yawning, blinking slowly, standing in corners looking miserable, crops full of food, the lot. I often wonder what the Owners think they are going to gain by sending birds to train or race in such poor condition. In this area it is very difficult to win races, and only very good pigeons can do it. So it would be a waste of time and money to try to compete with birds that are in any way below par. It must be the very same elsewhere. I have often wondered why the Owners carry on sending these poor creatures to do what they can not do. Is it ignorance or perhaps they just don't care. In the case of new starters who do not understand what to look for, I feel some sympathy. But if it is just neglect, then I really think that the rest of us should come down hard on them. After all we are expected to expose our birds to the filth that these poor little devils are forced to endure.

[Guest IB]

I think it is fair to say Wattle did nothing wrong with his PMV vaccination schedule - once a year is sufficient, timed before the birds go in training / race basket.

 

The Manufacturers' leaflet that comes with their vaccine tells you vaccinated birds can get PMV disease if there is enough of the virus to overwhelm the bird's defences. So it wasn't necessarily down to anybody's birds not being / or incorrectly vaccinated.

 

But I do believe Authorities are not doing enough to determine the source of the virus. The infection must have started somewhere.

[Guest wattle]

the one thing the vet said is that only for i keep a very clean loft and very healthy pigeons a lot more of them would have died from the virus.

[holmsidelofts]

every year i vaccinate my pigeons one month before i start racing, and i start racing 3rd week in may, when i got the louella birds on 20-4-09 so my birds had not bieng vaccinated,

three days after getting the louella birds the were showing full symptoms of the virus, and then all my birds got the virus.  

 

With young birds if you dont vaccinate them very early when you part them and they get exposed to cirovirus the Pmv vaccine can be less effective, This comes straight out of Dr Colin Walkers book on pigeon health. They need vaccinating within 7 days of being parted so that you increase the effectiveness of the PMV vaccine. I think alot of vaccination failure is due to exposure to cirovirus. Alot of studs dont vaccinate there youngsters until they are due to send them, then we get all these types of issues. Its not always the PMV vaccine thats to blame.

 

 

[Guest strapper]

for the 1st time ive vaccinated my yb,s early not long after parting...no sickness so far this year and birds look ok but for the moulting...maybe darkness for me next year.

[Guest Owen]

I vaccinate early, at weaning time. As I take them from their parents I give them the jab. It is an easy way to be sure I have caught them all. And I do them again at about ten weeks old. I also vaccinate for Paratyphoid.

I can not say that I have not had YBS but nothing much. The 2 youngsters that were looking sorry for themselves were rested and treated over a week came back to health and have been fine. I thought I would mention that my treatment of YBS does not involve antibiotics these days.

[Guest strapper]

todate touch wood!...ive had no problems with the youngbirds this year...although not raced yet!