Vaccination Query

[pigeonpete]

hi all,

        am wanting to inject my stock birds, never done my own before, exactly where should i inject? is it possible to get it wrong? what would be the worst that would happen? any help or advise appreciated

[Guest]

:-/what are injecting for Pete , ?   paramyxo jab normally back of the neck , flesh pinched and raised away from body of bird , needle placed between feathers . if inexperienced u can sometimes hit an air sack . if u have not done it before , i would suggest u watch someone that has experience !                           best of luck mate   ......andy  8)

[Wiley]

what andy is saying is right you can hit an air sack and there necks will tend to look like a ballon but will go down in a week or so.

[rossi]

where do you inject for paratyphoid

[Wiley]

In the neck as far as i know and have done!

[NANCYVIEWLOFTS]

if you are injecting for both paramixo and paratyphoid its the same size dosage and like north wales novice says in the neck for both

try and inject in the right hand side of the neck for one and in the left hand side for the other so you avoid sticking the needle in or near the first jab

obviously dont do them at the same time preferably 2 weeks apart with multi vits after each treatment

we treat for paratyhoid first  with a 10 day treatment of parastop first then multi vits then inject

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I NEVER INJECT MY STOCK BIRDS AS THEY ARE NEVER OUT OR IN CONTACT WITH ANY OF MY OTHER BIRDS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SMALL AVIARY TO GET A BATH , BUT ARE NEVER MIXED SO DON'T SEE THE POINT OF HAVING TO GIVE THEM ANYTHING, AND THEY GET VERY LITTLE OF ANYTHING AT ALL MEDICATION WISE

[Guest shadow]

Have never injected my stock birds and never will as they have never ever suffered any thing not even one eyed cold

[NANCYVIEWLOFTS]

hi tammy and shadow

i respect both of your statements

have you ever bought in new stock and put it in the stock loft

could this cause problems then if some birds in the stock loft have been injected and some not         just wondering

[Guest TAMMY_1]

hi tammy and shadow

i respect both of your statements

have you ever bought in new stock and put it in the stock loft

could this cause problems then if some birds in the stock loft have been injected and some not         just wondering

 

have bought in a few  birds recently but have never put them in right away, and have honestly never gave it a thought about some being injected and some not, never thought it would make any difference, so dunno if it would matter or not

[Chatrace]

If you inject in the neck and hit a nerve ,they will die. A new pracice is to do it in the loose skin between the leg and body, if you do it wrong there ,they just limp for a day or two

 

I do the leg way as I can do it faster and safer

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

never do my stock birds cost way to much!

[Guest]

Agree, care needed and never in the neck. Should be able to pinch skin between birds shoulders and inject under the loose skin there. Was left to do the birds myself for the first time in 2006 after watching for 4,5 years, still had an accident with one YB and had to put it down.

 

The thing about injecting stock birds is that pmv antibodies are then passed onto the youngsters in the pigeon milk. So their immune system geared towards combatting virus from first days in the nest.  Agree not necessary as the racers are done so form a vaccinated ring round the stockbirds, they can´t bring it in with them so the stock birds  can´t catch it from the racers, but would still recommend initial jab for the stockbirds and a booster every 5 years or so.

[velo99]

  I inject my birds on the back at the base of the neck a little to one side. The is little muscle kinda where the wing meets the back makes a nice injection site. Easy to hold the bird and inject him at the same time.

jmho

[likklegriz]

DO YOU ALL HAVE HELP TO INJECT OR DO IT ON YOUR OWN ? IF ON YOUR OWN HOW DO YOU HANDLE BIRD :

[madmaxlofts]

the rule states u cant do ure own birds u have to have 2 rpra members there to witness the birds being injected me myself i think its just another way to get even more money out ov us

[Guest]

DO YOU ALL HAVE HELP TO INJECT OR DO IT ON YOUR OWN ? IF ON YOUR OWN HOW DO YOU HANDLE BIRD :

 

Honestly think it best if you can get help, one to hold, one to inject.

 

Saw my own birds done singlehandedly for 4 years. Guy was very experienced, not one problem.

 

Did mine singly this year, yb struggled, hit nerve, had to put her down.

[Keepsmilingqueen]

Should i vaccinate the stock birds ?? as far as i know they have never been vaccinated and are aged from 2-6yrs, they dont fly out but do have acsess to an aviery, the reason i ask is that youngsters bred from the stock birds always seem less robust and more prone to illness compared to those bred from the racing birds even tho later when it comes to racing the stock bred birds perform better, the only thing that comes to mind is what bruno says " The thing about injecting stock birds is that pmv antibodies are then passed onto the youngsters in the pigeon milk. So their immune system geared towards combatting virus from first days in the nest." as other than vaccination my managment routine is that same for all the birds.

 

oppinions most welcome  

[Keepsmilingqueen]

Hi all, i shall appologise in advance for asking yet another seemingly basic and very novicy question (but iv never had to deal with this side of pigeon care before)

Anyway my question is i was going to vaccinate my stock birds (as there previous vaccination history is unknown and i worry about them being left unvaccinated when they have accsess to an outdoor aviery) and it says on the vaccination instructions 1stly NOT to vaccinate during lay, NOT to vaccinate during time of mating and NOT to vaccinate breeding birds unless previously vaccinated.

 

Now my stock birds have all layed and are sitting eggs of about 12 -16 days and i know for a fact they will have been vaccinated at least once in there lifetime as a youngbird but from then on i very much doubt they have been.

 

Should i avoid vaccinating these birds ?? they seem healthy but i dont like them being at risk from PMV.

 

plus i use the same scraper,muck bucket and loft coat for all lofts so surely there must be some cross contamination  

 

thanx again

sharron

[me]

Have never heard of an old bird that was jagged as a youngster that went on to catch paramyx Sharron but the science behind dead vaccines in theory means that they could after a while.Perhaps you could tread the middle path and jag them when you have finished breeding.

 

Also different scrapers shovels etc for different lofts is a good idea.

[Dougie]

 

I jag my stock birds but there seems to be a line of thought with some members on this forum that you don't have to.

I believe that going from loft to loft daily increases the risk of contamination. I suppose one mans food is another's poison.

I have seen birds with PMV and its not a nice thing to see.

[Guest]

Sharron: saw the very same thing about not vaccinating on my PMV leaflet.

 

My advice is that now you've started the breeders' 'year', don't vaccinate until their season is over. That's my reading of the leaflet advice.

 

Know what you are saying about cross-contamination. Like the other posts, suggest you try and limit this as much as possible. Its a good general hygiene rule which means that if you ever get a problem it is more likely to be with one or two birds rather than one or more lofts.

 

Simple things like (1)  a disinfectant spray bottle: for your hands, scraper, brush, feeders etc. and (2) washing your hands every time you come to the kitchen sink with the drinkers, and after loft chores.... all help maintain a safe environment .

[mickmcgrevy]

No need to vaccinate stock birds,  you only need to vaccinate birds which are being trained or raced or shown.

I do not vaccinate mine and haven't done for a good few years, and I know a lot who do the same.