Pretreating before breeding

[Chairman]

Many roads lead to Rome or to be politically correct its now Barcelona (they've moved the goal posts. afraid of the British challengers).

Fanciers treat as routine because they have not got a decent vet in their vicinity, that knows what he's doing, you require one that

specialises in Avian culture / species. I think that fanciers that follow this route get some satisfaction and peace of mind knowing if there

was a problem they have flushed it out.Yes, I also agree that if they are not tested how do you know what treatment to use if you have

not identified the problem.So there is always going to be two points of view to debate / discuss on this issue, and in my opinion I think

that this topic is an important with most fanciers debating as to pair up early at xmas or upon return from Blackpool in mid janaury.

A club member, who I shall not identify for legal reasons, allegedly sent his dropping samples through the post to a testing centre, a few

days passed only to recieve a letter from the company " Dear Mr ........... we have recieved your request for dropping sample tests, but

please refrain from sending your underpants through the post as it makes a mess of our letterbox our managing director is making a

right stink out of the issue", well it takes allsorts.  > :'( :K)

[Guest youngzimmy]

iread somewhere along the line that the more drugs and treatments you give your birds the more you weaken there natural  imunity they loose there abiliy to figt off a lot of these bugs and the like i remember speaking to an old  doo man who said the day they jagged against paramoxo was  the rock they perished on they should have let the weaklings die off and the survivers would have gainded the natural ability to fight off the disease

[OLDYELLOW]

well for many years i have had counts for canker and cocci  then when i had  worms, worms  was the first i irradicated , first i wormed chemicaly then used mollasses also know as treacle to keep at bay using 2 tablespoons once a week diluted in hot water so was liquid  this had worked so left me with the cocci and canker .

I used to clean out everyday twice a day but the cocci and canker was always there in low counts majority of the time below treatable levels , i also got respirity disease so obviously changed loft treated all sorted won for 2 years on the trot highest prize winner. All this time cleaning and biancoing the floors and boxes on a daily bases .

Since going to Turkey for a holliday this year i was going for a fortnight and had to let my friend look after the birds i put hempcore in the loft , and as i advocate a clean loft i was going to remove this when got back but the condition of the birds made me replace it , the conclusion i come to on seeing the vet was this the birds feet were rougher tougher and harder than that of a bird in a loft without bedding so there feet was less absorbant to the cocci as a result , but by no means the sole reason for not having Cocci .

I have used Orego stim a product i bought to tighten the droppings up so as this doesnt do this greatly i dismissed this product .

On tidying loft up prior to making my widowhood boxes i had a few products left all of which treat these disease/ symptoms , i took a full jar of mollases added this to a 5 litre bottle watered down left for 24hrs then i added half a bottle of cider vinegar ( canker treatment ) the near full bottle of Orego stim ( i had used twice with no great effect ) then topped this up with Aviform Ultimate andd added water shook up , i used 20mls of this to a 8 pint drinker 3 days on and 3 days off but im sure 3 days a week be enough so it works out very cheap to keep everything down , im going to experiment and use the naturline instead of the orego stim as i think will do a better job and is much cheaper , then ill get tested at vets before racing starts  

hope this helps to get your birds 100% as it has mine , but its a combination of alot of things that i have done and most by accident with great effects , all the best mark  

[OLDYELLOW]

All Clear and all done without chemicals or drugs 100% natural immunity