Pretreating before breeding

[OLDYELLOW]

Well the birds are fully through there moult and i've booked an apointment for the vets , i have collected dropping samples from all my birds mixed them up into a paste and these will be tested today , i also selected a pigeon to be throat swabbed selecting this bird was hard as they all look fine but this one dint look as good as the rest from a visual inspection .

[andrecrock]

Hi there OY,do you think its necessary to have all the tests done?How bout just treating for everything as a routine treatment?

 

My nearest vet is miles away,

 

andrecrock..

[Wiley]

Hi there OY,do you think its necessary to have all the tests done?How bout just treating for everything as a routine treatment?

 

My nearest vet is miles away,

 

andrecrock..

 

Why treat if nothings wrong? Just my personal opinion if it aint broke why fix it.

[Guest]

 

Why treat if nothings wrong? Just my personal opinion if it aint broke why fix it.

 

I agree in principle Wiley, but these problems can lay lurking under the surface and as soon as there are youngsters in the nest they raise their ugly heads, and then problems start. Thats my understanding of the situation. Prevention is better than cure.

[Beanz]

Sorry but I agree with Wiley, if it aint broke don't fix it, I now have mine tested and at £2 for droppings and £3 a pigeon for throat swabs it works out cheaper than keep paying for stuff you may not need and you are not damaging the birds immune system by keep using medication, in the last 3 years I have only had to treat mine 3 times when they needed treating, so I am happy with that but I suppose its each to his own.

 

 

 

                                                                        Paul

[Wiley]

Sorry but I agree with Wiley, if it aint broke don't fix it, I now have mine tested and at £2 for droppings and £3 a pigeon for throat swabs it works out cheaper than keep paying for stuff you may not need and you are not damaging the birds immune system by keep using medication, in the last 3 years I have only had to treat mine 3 times when they needed treating, so I am happy with that but I suppose its each to his own.

 

Bang on personally like beans id prefere to get them tested,

 

                                                                        Paul

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

Hi there OY,do you think its necessary to have all the tests done?How bout just treating for everything as a routine treatment?

 

My nearest vet is miles away,

 

andrecrock..

 

well i have had mine tested today and i have the all clear why treat when not nessasary test for everything treat for nothing use the right products and you have no diseases just pure 100% immunity , ill get a phone call in 2 weeks then the candida test within the next 5 weeks but all clear and cost up all your medications i bet it comes to more £30  

[OLDYELLOW]

 

I agree in principle Wiley, but these problems can lay lurking under the surface and as soon as there are youngsters in the nest they raise their ugly heads, and then problems start. Thats my understanding of the situation. Prevention is better than cure.

 

I agree prevention is better than the cure but better to use natural products than drugs in my view immunity is effected by over treating and weaker birds will hold you back and cost you more  

[OLDYELLOW]

Sorry but I agree with Wiley, if it aint broke don't fix it, I now have mine tested and at £2 for droppings and £3 a pigeon for throat swabs it works out cheaper than keep paying for stuff you may not need and you are not damaging the birds immune system by keep using medication, in the last 3 years I have only had to treat mine 3 times when they needed treating, so I am happy with that but I suppose its each to his own.

 

 

 

                                                                        Paul

 

 

100% correct in my mind prevention is far better than and cure support the birds immune system and they'll repay you by been far more robust in constitution and less suseptable to disease  

[OLDYELLOW]

[THE FIFER]

good report m8

[Guest IB]

Dr Phil Lynch (retired medical doctor, member of our Fed and SNFC) gave a talk at one of our club moots a couple of years ago: he said he tested his birds at this time of year, and if the results required it, he treated, if not he didn't.

 

So basically copied him from last year, though bit late in getting started - January 2008.

 

My birds are on their last flight, so got them tested last week and they are now on a 5-day course for 'significant levels' of cocci - vet said he was surprised they did not have the disease. I've to re-test them again 2/3 days after treatment ends.

 

I'll be asking him why he thinks my birds didn't develop the disease. But I think I already know the answer.

 

 

 

  

[nogin]

Dr Phil Lynch (retired medical doctor, member of our Fed and SNFC) gave a talk at one of our club moots a couple of years ago: he said he tested his birds at this time of year, and if the results required it, he treated, if not he didn't.

 

So basically copied him from last year, though bit late in getting started - January 2008.

 

My birds are on their last flight, so got them tested last week and they are now on a 5-day course for 'significant levels' of cocci - vet said he was surprised they did not have the disease. I've to re-test them again 2/3 days after treatment ends.

 

I'll be asking him why he thinks my birds didn't develop the disease. But I think I already know the answer.

 

 

is your answer garlic ;D

  

 

 

[Silverdale Lofts]

Dr Phil Lynch (retired medical doctor, member of our Fed and SNFC) gave a talk at one of our club moots a couple of years ago: he said he tested his birds at this time of year, and if the results required it, he treated, if not he didn't.

 

So basically copied him from last year, though bit late in getting started - January 2008.

 

My birds are on their last flight, so got them tested last week and they are now on a 5-day course for 'significant levels' of cocci - vet said he was surprised they did not have the disease. I've to re-test them again 2/3 days after treatment ends.

 

I'll be asking him why he thinks my birds didn't develop the disease. But I think I already know the answer.

 

 

 

  

 

When i  have treated for cocci i always retreat after 5 days

[mark]

 

Why treat if nothings wrong? Just my personal opinion if it aint broke why fix it.

 

well said wiley, to many people look for things that are not there.

[just ask me]

do pll treat for para before pairing up

[Guest IB]

Hi Nogin,   fair guess, but no not garlic this time.

 

I reckon the birds didn't get coccidiosis the disease because they have been exposed to low levels of cocci the organism.

 

Pigeon Vets recommend this exposure to develop immunity. So I believe my birds didn't get sick because they are immune to the disease.

 

 

 

 

[Guest IB]

 

When i  have treated for cocci i always retreat after 5 days

 

I'm hoping that won't be needed. This will be my first use of an antibiotic for cocci, therefore I don't expect to encounter 'resistance'. The re-test is merely to confirm that cocci levels have returned to 'background'. After that, it'll be largely down to the birds to keep them at low levels, though I intend to use a couple of antiprotozoal herbs, once-a-month.

[Silverdale Lofts]

http://www.auspigeonco.com.au/Articles/Race_Form_Part2.html

good advice and a good vet

[OLDYELLOW]

Forgot to add full tests are £30 and can be sent out in the post  

[Guest]

Sorry but I agree with Wiley, if it aint broke don't fix it, I now have mine tested and at £2 for droppings and £3 a pigeon for throat swabs it works out cheaper than keep paying for stuff you may not need and you are not damaging the birds immune system by keep using medication, in the last 3 years I have only had to treat mine 3 times when they needed treating, so I am happy with that but I suppose its each to his own.

 

 

 

                                                                        Paul

 

3 times in 3 years is that not treating every year paul

 

[Guest IB]

On Costs: droppig samples only (4 bottles, 1 for samples from each of 4 different sections) £18; meds, 1 x course for 5 days, £7. Total £25.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

mine includes canida and mycroplasma thats where the real bacteria lie  

[Guest IB]

mine includes canida and mycroplasma thats where the real bacteria lie  

 

The Practice wouldn't give me swabs; gave me a spiel about professional training & standards, said if anything unusual in droppings test, then they'd maybe swab; on hindsight, maybes they were talking about cloacal / cecal (spelling) swabs rather than 'throat' swabs I was talking about. But I've a follow-up droppings test next week, so will enquire further.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

northern hygene are defra approved and specialise in avain diseases if its good enough for the goverment its good enough for me they do tests on all animals and birds , and are a valuable source to talk to as they actualy know what there talking about , all there swab tests come with a soup solution to keep the bacteria in so doesnt deteriate as a result of bacteria dying in transit   each test costs £5 so full test is £30 and i think is value for money i know i could spend that on unneeded medicines my birds dont need and do the immune system no good