do you vaccinate for paramyxo?

[Guest strapper]

i agree but then when some top flyers come into club and say sign this someone always does this happens alover the place   ;)

 

 

 

i know m8 ,maybe as someone said ...it should be done at the club then no one can put m8s at risk by signing certs.

i admit to being asked by someone not in my club a few years a go,i refused only to be looked at silly.

 

[pjc]

Wonder if the ones that said no will come on here and tell us why they dont vaccinate.

 

 

i didn't start the thread as a witch hunt but to get a honest picture of what is going on!

There are members on here who don't race, keep fancy breeds although if they show they are governed by the same rules and just have birds as pets so i wouldn't expect everyone to say yes.

What is interesting is the number that only do the race team!

 

[Guest]

I would further like to expand on the reference to the word "Law" if used with reference to the license conditions imposed by DEFRA it does not constitute as being refered to as being "Law" it is classified in documentation as being a "Code of Practice" and not classified a statutory imposed regulation. Yes I know what we are all led to believe, but an attorney worth his salt would have a field day with this issue tryed in a court of law.

 

There's a thing called 'Designated Legislation' where government bodies like DEFRA can make and uphold certain laws/policies.  They don't have to be a 'statute' to be as powerful and your wrong, a good lawyer wouldn't challenge the code of practice.  A bit like the ACPO guidelines that govern speed cameras, its just guidelines but you try challenging them in court, many have and failed.  

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

yes i agree try challageing it in court ?? its the same as when you declare to dhss youer unfit for work thats a legal point and if you attempt to work you can get into serious trouble the same with any goverment department the point is its the goverment you are going against if you donot then woe betide you defra is goverment body ??/

[Guest numpty01]

today theres to many rules reg.s to ignor all of them but from point jagging birds you only lose out youerselfs by not doing it due to cost birds one bird here would give me the money to buy vaccine for next 20years why would i take chance of her getting it for few quid saving

[Guest mikkey]

ive only had my pigeons a couple of years and so far i havent vaccinated although i know i should. i dont think ill get much sympathy if my birds get para and have to be culled do you ??...............i fly rollers by the way......

[Beanz]

Did mine this year with Nobilis as you couldn't get hold of Columbovac and the birds had a reaction, 3 couldn't fly to their boxes and another 4 wouldn't eat and just sulked in their boxes, only lasted a couple of days but I hope columbovac is available for the youngsters, previous to the inkjection birds were in tip top condition and sweeping the skies with ease.

 

 

                                                            Paul

[Simeon Turner]

We Vaccinate eveything in the loft.

 

Old birds (racers) a couple of weeks before racing.

 

young bird and stock a couple of weeks before you bird racing starts

[just ask me]

Did mine this year with Nobilis as you couldn't get hold of Columbovac and the birds had a reaction, 3 couldn't fly to their boxes and another 4 wouldn't eat and just sulked in their boxes, only lasted a couple of days but I hope columbovac is available for the youngsters, previous to the inkjection birds were in tip top condition and sweeping the skies with ease.

 

 

                                                            Paul

 

im not 100% sure on this but i think i read some where that if birds have a reaction like u are talking about its not a good sign that they may already be infected or something like this there just something in the back of mind ill though the few books i have here and see if i can find it again please dont take this as fact as i said im really not sure but will try find out  

[Guest IB]

I have posted before on other threads that vaccination is a legal requirement. Here's the extract from the Legislation and a link to it, posted previously: -

 

Statutory Instrument 2003 No. 1078

 

Diseases of Poultry (England) Order 2003

 

Racing pigeons

 

"racing pigeon" means any pigeon transported or intended for transport from its pigeon house (any installation used for keeping or breeding racing pigeons) to be released so that it may freely fly back to its pigeon house or to any other destination.

 

     12.  - (1) An organiser of a show or race which takes place wholly or partly in England shall ensure that all racing pigeons entered for the race or show have been vaccinated against paramyxovirus 1 in pigeons.

 

    (2) Every person who owns or keeps racing pigeons shall keep a record of every race or show for which he enters his pigeons.

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20031078.htm

 

As I stated, only those flying or showing racing pigeons are legally required to vaccinate. You'll see from the type of legislation (poultry) that it is done for the usual DEFRA reason 'to stop the disease spreading to national poultry stocks'.

 

It does seem to me that something has gone badly wrong though. The whole point of vaccination is disease eradication. Many of the human diseases of old have been eradicated through vaccinating whole populations against them, so the virus has basically nothing left to infect. If it cannot gain access to a living host, it dies off. PMV-1 and vaccination against it have been on the go since the 1980's and yet PMV-1 still occurs in the UK. So those that are not vaccinating racing pigeons before training, racing or showing could be responsible for perpetuating a disease that should have all but disappeared by now.  

 

 

[pjc]

we know what the rules are IB but as we can see and know not all birds are vaccinated and never will be.

I suspect less vaccinate now than did within the first couple of years the vaccination became compulsary but the numbers of cases are published anualy but the numbers remain constant.

100% vaccination will not irradicate pmv, how are you going to vaccinate ferrals etc?

[Guest]

yes i agree try challageing it in court ?? its the same as when you declare to dhss youer unfit for work thats a legal point and if you attempt to work you can get into serious trouble the same with any goverment department the point is its the goverment you are going against if you donot then woe betide you defra is goverment body ??/

Your absolutely right Maidment the government are not one to mess with no matter what department they are, Defra no exception,  although try challenging the police that's even worse,  ??)  I recall this man from fancy recently impersonating a government officer via e-mail which is a far more serious offence than not vaccinating your birds, seems like some in the fancy don't give a stuff what they do but that's another story so we'll stick to the topic shall we.    

 

 

[The Navigator]

At the end of the day, you will never get the truth from fanciers. I know from fact that in my area 90% of fanciers do not vacinate and never have. They have to take the flack if they get the virus or are found out, but I doubt if they will.

 

Also the governing bodies are not smart to this when the vacination forms come back with the same batch numbers or false numbers on everyones forms.

[Guest numpty01]

Your absolutely right Maidment the government are not one to mess with no matter what department they are, Defra no exception,  although try challenging the police that's even worse,  ??)  I recall this man from fancy recently impersonating a government officer via e-mail which is a far more serious offence than not vaccinating your birds, seems like some in the fancy don't give a stuff what they do but that's another story so we'll stick to the topic shall we.    

 

i would or i might post some stuff i got from press arcives that would prove intresting green listen its time for you to act like a fancier not hard done by victem get life get on with it and stop being so juvanile everyone can see youer attemps of disruption with snidy comments grow up i shall not answer any more comments from you so carry on on youer own