Direct Beverdam Pigeons!

[andrew]

I am looking for direct beverdam pigeons either meulemans or janssens please pm me, email me [mail]info@dclofts.co.uk[/mail]

 

[swilcox]

You have backed a winner there Andrew ;D ;D ;D :

[schouwman71]

shouldnt it be beverdam pigeons that have bred winners instead of just the breed bred by beverdam,i have had quit a few janssens and muelmans direct from beverdam in the last 10 yrs and only found 1 cock that bred winners and 2 hens that went on to breed winners.Plus if you do find directs that have bred winners do you think they would sell them ? i dont think so,unless there youngsters.The ones that didnt breed went into the sky and the ones that did breed stopped with me till the end.Think before you buy andrew ,has you will be selling youngsters from these to breed nowt but rubbish,ask timbarra if he would sell his directs,i know the answer already.

 

[andrew]

Hi,

 

Thanks for info, i allready have 3 directs at stock just looking possibly to introduce some new bloodlines in to my family

 

i currently have a son form his foundation meuleman stock also a son from his main janssen foundation stock bird

 

i also have a g.son from benjamin and a pigeon from the merckx lines meulemans

 

 

[Guest]

Hi Andrew,

Why don't you go direct to Herman himself? You'll get what you want, i've dealt with him and he's a fair enough bloke. Can be a bit costly though, lol! I've got some of his Wouters at the minute! Done nowt yet but they are only last years youngsters! You still got the Klaks mate? We had a pair from you a few years back, I think the cock has left us a good one in the stock loft!

All the best,

Dave

[Guest Paulo]

Hi Andrew,

Why don't you go direct to Herman himself? You'll get what you want, i've dealt with him and he's a fair enough bloke. Can be a bit costly though, lol! I've got some of his Wouters at the minute! Done nowt yet but they are only last years youngsters! You still got the Klaks mate? We had a pair from you a few years back, I think the cock has left us a good one in the stock loft!

All the best,

Dave

 

I got those latebreds  brought direct off him at a sale. 3 died like but still have one its a nice pigeon. Cost me 40 quid each for latebreds bred off geeologer 019

[Guest j.bamling]

 

I got those latebreds  brought direct off him at a sale. 3 died like but still have one its a nice pigeon. Cost me 40 quid each for latebreds bred off geeologer 019

 

was it the sale last year - ybs

a lad in our club bought 2 Huigbrects both them died i dont know if the sale was at Belmont or Shotton ?

[Guest Paulo]

 

was it the sale last year - ybs

a lad in our club bought 2 Huigbrects both them died i dont know if the sale was at Belmont or Shotton ?

 

Was the sale at Belmont he had late 06 the lad next to me brought them and they died as well

[retired]

dont sound like an over impressive record to me  

[Guest]

Did any of you notify Herman of the problems? If so, how did he react? I can only speak as I find and personally have only found the man to be helpful and had some really good pigeons! I can honestly say, i didn't have any issues or problems with mine from him. I wish i could say the same about others that i have dealt with in the past!

[Guest Paulo]

Did any of you notify Herman of the problems? If so, how did he react? I can only speak as I find and personally have only found the man to be helpful and had some really good pigeons! I can honestly say, i didn't have any issues or problems with mine from him. I wish i could say the same about others that i have dealt with in the past!

 

To be fair notified Haswell Auctions and they offered to replace but I thought I would only end up with the rubbish they hadn't sold in the other auctions that would probably die as well and didn't want to risk the health of my other birds so treat it as a lesson about buying pigeons at auctions.

 

The one I have left is a nice bird and have had only one YB off him so looking forward to seeing what he breeds

[gangster]

dont sound like an over impressive record to me  

 

in fairness to herman there are plenty of very succesful fanciers flying his birds and a lot who would not admit to it!!!!   demand is still very high for his birds............................

[retired]

 

in fairness to herman there are plenty of very succesful fanciers flying his birds and a lot who would not admit to it!!!!   demand is still very high for his birds............................

 

I dont doubt it Mick i was impressed by some of the birds i looked at on his site but everyone has to admit if there were two or three instances of problems at the same time it would not look good as appears to be the case here.

 

i am not actually knocking the bloke we all have problems with our birds from time to time and the people who say they dont tend to have long noses and go by the name Pinocchio

 

[gangster]

    i agree it did not look 2 good.....and i agree with the last bit

[timbarra]

Herman is one of a handful of players or fanciers I trust impecabaly, I also trust John Kirk of Warrington, these are 2 people who I would deal with and on a constant basis, in fact I spoke to Herman Beverdam today regarding a certain matter and he was very pleasant as always.

 

People do not agree with his prices but like anything in this world, if you want it then you have to pay for it.  £10 or £1000... a price is a price.

 

I have a large number of directs from beverdam 18 in total i think and most have bred the goods but then I make sure they are the best he has.

I also try to bring the price within reach of the normal man .. like youngsters from my direct Beverdams !!!  not grand children? or great grandchildren?

although they are available it still reflects in the price.

 

I have never had any of Hermans pigeons die.. but I never bought any at auction where they mix and risk cross infection.

[Guest]

I know someone who bought 48 from Beverdam (direct) and all of them ended up keeping the worms happy. Never personally  known anyone do well with his birds, including me.

[Guest]

Well I have done exceedingly well with his birds. I'm sure thats where Spence & Nicholls birds originated aswell, and they were as prepotent a partnership as you could come across! Credit where credt is due. If Beverdams pigeons had been poor for me, i would say exactly that. On one of his pedigrees about one of the birds I bought, it said, this bird will found a loft, AND IT DID!   It died the G/sire of a 1st & 2nd Combine!

[Guest j.bamling]

Did any of you notify Herman of the problems? If so, how did he react? I can only speak as I find and personally have only found the man to be helpful and had some really good pigeons! I can honestly say, i didn't have any issues or problems with mine from him. I wish i could say the same about others that i have dealt with in the past!

 

haswell Plough - reg renwick offered him his money back apperantly he gave it off before the sale that they were not in the best of nick

i dont really know the man personally but i know he has good birds Steve Tetley had a canny Janssen cock off him bred steve a fed & sect winner i think it was 20th u.n.c. folkstone

it just seems like it was that particular sale ?

[andrew]

I Visited herman beverdam a few years back and i can honstly say i have never ever seen such quality in one location he has pure class birds.

 

his meulemans were the very very best i had ever seen, outstanding specimen pigeons nobody can offer such quality.

 

i would reccomend his birds to anybody you just have to see his birds to know that there pure class and they will breed winners if in  the bright hands which is the most important thing.

 

 

 

 

[Lennut Tar]

I know someone who bought 48 from Beverdam (direct) and all of them ended up keeping the worms happy. Never personally  known anyone do well with his birds, including me.

 

Interesting comment above, & I would have to say. Your being a wee bit harsh etc here, "Re Beverdam". Never met the man, never likely to (distance) But if I went & bought 48 pigeons from anyone (within reason) & they were all duds etc  ;D ;D ;D I would have a good look at myself in a mirror & perhapes/definately change my management system   ;) , "It's Crap"   :P .

PS if I had those 48 pigeons you mentioned above ??????? I'd be in heaven, so to speak  ;D ;D ;D & I bet, I would get something out of them worth having etc.

Enjoy.

 

 

[Guest Paulo]

 

haswell Plough - reg renwick offered him his money back apperantly he gave it off before the sale that they were not in the best of nick

i dont really know the man personally but i know he has good birds Steve Tetley had a canny Janssen cock off him bred steve a fed & sect winner i think it was 20th u.n.c. folkstone

it just seems like it was that particular sale ?

 

Yeah it does just seem like that particular sale wonder if its because the stress placed on the YB's with them being imported from Holland

 

The one I have left is a cracker and the one YB I bred off him did the programme in 07 and came back from many races where a lot of birds left and was on the clock for the first few races but was just beaten by seconds.

 

Then again its mothers a Forbes busschaert so it might get it from her. Still this year I'll take at least 2 rounds from him and if they are no good he'll get disposed of and not sold to some mug like some  fanciers seem to do.

[timbarra]

I have spoken to Herman on a few occasions and mailed him, the man is second to none in my eyes, and as for 48 direct and breeding nothing from them.. well sorry thats poor managment, like they say cant just buy good birds and hope for the best results, buy good AND work hard , and you will win !!

Hermans pigeons are total class as Andrew has stated, I got them and they breed winners and my best ever pigeon was from them !!!!!!

I have never been disapointed with any bird from him. if anything fanciers and alot of them forget pigeons are animals that require a quality of life, and many not all , but many do not look after their birds.

 

[swilcox]

My comment was coming from this angle,

 

Why buy something that is so easily available when both of you are only interested in selling??

 

The idea is to bring birds to the fancy that are not easily available, that way you are providing a really useful service.

 

If people wanted Beverdam Meulemans they would go Herman!!!! Now if you were to offer Koopman, Verkerk, Vredeveld or Zwols that would be different as they are so easy to obtain!!!

 

Only an Observation

Stuart

[timbarra]

hi stuart, yes the point is a valid one, but if you go to Herman Beverdam then you will be charged accordingly due to dealing direct. which is very well and good. but I provide the same bloodlines ...very close to the originals as i own a brother to Wittekrop 91 his foundation pigeon, at a cheaper price than you would pay direct !!

 

your comments are possibly valid and taken on board. it can be said why pay agents a price when the internet has brought the possiblity to go direct to the man a possibility??

I know full well who you are the agent for when considering this comment, and am in no way attacking or knocking what or who you wish to represent. I respect you and commend you on such issues, as I think you provide superb pigeons at a really good price.

 

but to be honest first and foremost I have a passion for the Beverdam and Meulemans pigeons, if I sold nothing ever I would still be happy as I do not need the money..

 

its not about money with me. never has been.

 

thanks spencer.

[Guest Paulo]

to be honest I look at things this way lately regarding a lot of foreign birds brought to this country (not all mind you!) if they are that good why do they bring them over here to sell you would think they could sell them in Holland. I buy my youngsters off top people in the Northeast now. I reckon Britain and in particular the Northeast are underrated when you look at the quality of birds we have over here now. I reckon fanciers like Chris Gordan for distance for example have birds that are at least the equal if not the better of a lot of fanciers in Belgium and Holland.

 

After all Hollands flat! When Ron Strong topped the WDA from Bourges the bird would have had to fly round hills and all sorts that feat is easy the equal of a lot of foreign flyers performances. Look at Ireland for instance the distance pigeons have to fly over two sets of sea.

 

Back on Andrews orginal request if you want some yb's off that beaverdam for nowt let me know and I'll e-mail you his pedigree through. If you want you could even have a loan of him this season to pair to whatever beaverdam hens you already have.