swilcox Posted April 7, 2006 Report Posted April 7, 2006 For sale GB02 S 58200 Blue Cock a super pigeon Bred By Syndicate Lofts 100% Koopman and Direct from Pantani x Schone Blauwe Pantini 1st Boxtel 413b, 6th Boxtel 3764b, 18th Boxtel 4794b Sire of “Pantani” is a full brother to Koopmans “Mr. Ermerveen” winner of 1st Dutch Nat. Ace Midfond NPO 2000 and Dutch Olympiade Ace, South Africa. Dam of “Pantani” is “Celeste” winner of 1st Dutch Nat. Ace Y.B. WHZB ‘98. She was the highest scoring Nat. Ace Y.B. in the history of the competition. “Celeste” won as a Y.B.:- 1st Niergnies 3625b, 2nd Pt. St. Max 5704b, 2nd St. Ghislain 4460b, 3rd Laon 2811b, 16th Minderhout 9300b SCHONE BLAUWE is a direct daughter of PATRIOT winner of 1st Dutch Nat. Ace pigeon Midfond WHZB ‘99. He won the following positions:- 1st Peronne 2709b, 1st Morlincourt 1776b, 2nd Peronne 1787b, 2nd Chantilly 1510b. Dam of SCHONE BLAUWE is DIAMOND LADY a full sister to Koopmans miracle hen GOLDEN LADY. I purchased this pigeon last year from a fancier who leaving the sport at Christmas but due to my involvement with Raymond Moleveld I wont have room to use him. YBs this way bred cost £250. He is a really bold pigeon of the highest quality. Sold to the best offer over £100 received by 13th April 8pm. Regards Stuart Wilcox swilcox@uk.sims-group.com 00447715 166066
Guest slugmonkey Posted April 7, 2006 Report Posted April 7, 2006 If I were in the U.K. I would break my neck to get this bird we have 16 Veenstra birds that came from some of these Koopman lines including a daughter of celeste we also have a full sister to Veenstras national ace bird down from these same lines as well as birds down from Klinen Dirk and Terminator we are winning with these birds at ALL distances in all conditions our bird AHPI 05 1418 placed high in the AHPI gold band race he was either 2nd or 3rd overall, 2 years ago we put 2 of these birds in the money at Texas Shootout race 65th and 67th some of the best fanciers in the world were in that race it should be noted that the bird that got 67th scored 2 first finishes on 2 seperate training tosses and was hit by a hawk 2 weeks before race so he flew it injured and still got in the money it is just a matter of time before these birds are fully realized and the price goes through the roof I am not helping these guys peddle birds I don't even know them but if this is what they say it is this bird could found a loft pretty easily I talked else where about seeing the potential in a strain of birds BEFORE everyone else figures it out and this is one of those situations a few years down the line you will have a sea of these birds with every tom dick and harry claiming to have the " Old Original Bloodlines "
mark Posted April 7, 2006 Report Posted April 7, 2006 surely you need a good hen from the same breed to match a cock of that quality, not much point buying it then crossing with your own pigeons. only my opinion. regards mark
swilcox Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Posted April 7, 2006 When i saw the pigeon i could see he was specail and when i saw the pedigree i knew his value but im lucky enough to be involved closely with Raymond Moleveld of Holland and its only fair that we test the pigeons that we selling from the breeding stud, hence the reason why he is spare. As for a hen of this breeding i couldnt be of much help there im afraid. Kind Regards Stuart Wilcox
mark Posted April 8, 2006 Report Posted April 8, 2006 so if you by the cock you are buying to cross in with your own birds.
Mike Lycett Posted April 8, 2006 Report Posted April 8, 2006 Mark Pairing two pigeons of qualiy together would ionvariably breed the goods would you feel?? Mike
Guest slugmonkey Posted April 8, 2006 Report Posted April 8, 2006 good pigeon + good pigeon = good pigeon this is one of those instances we are talking about getting hung up on strain or names and not enough about the quality of animal don't worry about keeping it pure put it on a good hen and see what happens when they win breed back to the cock and count your good fortune
Guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Posted April 10, 2006 Stu, Are you aware of any pigeons bred from him.
swilcox Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Posted April 11, 2006 Hi No im not, sorry! But he a super specimen none the less. Stuart
swilcox Posted April 13, 2006 Author Report Posted April 13, 2006 Hello Pigeon is now sold for £125 Regards Stuart Wilcox
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