aye, but theres joiners and theres joiners,
I had a joiner who started for me, asked him to make a hutch for kids rabbit, drew it out on a peice of paper with shape and sizes. Told him to tell the painter when it was ready. Painter phoned me and said he's got the hutch but I better have a look before he painted it :'( :'( :'(
He made a good job but never put a door in it so I could get the rabbit in, he ended up being called the "Jepordy Joiner" because every day I told him his job was in jepordy if he balls up like that again, made reasonable packing crates and pallets ;D ;D ;D