i have a silver staf van reet and a black vervoort x leonbores every pigeon there have bred there had a 1st prize except blue ones i have 4 cocks in loft now thats had a 1st some with more and hens thats had a 1st just the 2 there bred mealys bluew/f black ones mealys with out bars on i had them 5 years now think there about 7 years old i never look to tell you the true what price could you put on birds like this pair never got a pedigree with them just what bred there was thats about it lads