i have to agree with mike go and see clive yates.
iv got 3 pigeons of his down here and boy r they doing well, if your gona get them go for somthing out of jordan.
iv got a inbred of jordan and a son and a hen of donnas girl, crossed them with my janssens, last year just to see how they would come along and got the following.
6th open combine
3rd fed
5th fed
x2 10th fed
21st fed
and thats from around 6 youngens that i bred last year.
well pleased with them.