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A friend who joined our sport 2 or 3 years ago has purchased so many pigeons he is massively over stocked and he has asked me for help. I went in the shed and picked out the nice one that I thought would sell and I know offer them up. No 1 Blue Cock Belg 03 Bred by Rigole & Taveirne Sire Scone Witpen, brother of 1st Bourges, 5th Cognac. Sire Adjudent (from Nero) Dam sister to 1st Nat La Souterraine from Brother Geon and Vuile Teen Hen. £50 N0 2 Cock Belg 04 Bred by Taveirne & Rigole Sire Mister Boxer brother of 1st Nat Brive when paired to a dtr of Nero 20th Nat Brive, 20th Nat Cahors. Dam dtr of Dream Boy, son of Jos Thone Vincent 22nd, 47th, 63rd, Nat etc £50

Antwerp, some of the Van De Poel Grizzles are bred from Sultan Tornado 1st 16,000b, 2nd 12,000, 2nd 12,000 etc etc. You will be suprised to know i owned that pigeon!!!!

Gareth He wont even give me one from the Blauwe Bertus!!!!!! :'(But i do have a sister. I ahve chosen a top pigeon from a top champion so all will be revealed soon. Stuart

Hello Jim Yes we were very pleased, lots of people wer there and the average price was good, Thanks for coming and im sure those birds will bred so brilliant pigeons for you.

Thanks Middle or Long Distance?

I will soon be auctioning a pigeon with 100% of the proceeds going directly to Pigeon Basics!!!! What sort of strain and distance are people most interested in? I want to make it something specail? This donation and auction is in reconition for facilities provided by Pigeon Basics to which myself and raymond have enjoyed!!!! I trust the webmaster has no objections!!! Stuart Wilcox Raymond Moleveld.

Thanks for everyone who attended the sale it went very very well. Stuart

True But Kipp are very well known fanciers across the world, its only in england where there birds arent in huge demand. People tend to follow the family names which are printed on the back of BHW and thats it!!!!!!

Roland, just telling how it is, the results are there to see and read by all!!!!!!! Stuart P.S. Roland i dont sell birds for anyone in the list other than Raymond, who won 1st Nat St Vincent 37,000b and 1st NPO Brive 7500b in the last few years plus 2nd NPO 28,000b and 1st Combine 11,236b this season!!! My veiw was asked and given!!!

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Antwerp has first option, for those that have pm! if he decides not to have them i will put them on the for sale page.

Sorry to tell you mate he is an English thing!!!! He doesnt rate in the current dutch scene!!! Most people wouldnt even know who he was!!! He was good along time ago!!!! This year he sold one of his racing hens to a guy in Bristol for £500 and told him she was a star, he asked me to take a look at the pedigree and race record, it turns out in 3 years of racing she didnt even finish in the top 10 of the club!!!!! He is a wiser man now Stuart

Lets all keep quiet and have are fingers crossed!!!!! :X :X :X

I must say Raymond speaks very highly of the Verkerks and he tells me they are really nice people too!!!

A friend who joined our sport 2 or 3 years ago has purchased so many pigeons he is massively over stocked and he has asked me for help. I went in the shed and picked out the nice one that I thought would sell and I know offer them up. Gaby Van Den Abeele. 1 Blue Cock 2001 X 45248, Bred By M D Evans Sire Top Man NL00 2057566 son of Limoges 1st 1223b, 9th 1503b 15th 2201b etc. Dam NL00 2057576 Dtr of Orleanswinner 1st Orleans 11,345b, this pigeon is a real beauty!!!!! £250 o.n.o

Peter Van De Merwe might have something to say about that mike, not much between them and Peter is sending 1/2 the number of birds!!! But for sure they are both at the very top of dutch sprint racing. Stuart

Here are two of the grizzles mate, No 1 and 3 on that list

In Holland the best are as follows Sprint, Verkerk, Peter Van De Merwe, Jan Karstons, W Klaverstijn, Van Doorn, Gert Munnink, Fran Zwols. Jan Ouwerkerk, F Strijkers. Middle Koopmans, Sangers, Piet Van De Merwe, Van Den Berg and Zn, Shroevers, Bosua, Harm Vermveld. Long Distance Polder, Van Domelon, Bruggeman, Raymond Moleveld, Chris Van De Velden, Wim Van De Velden, Wijnands G Van Tuyl etc I know you wont know all the names but they are all super flyers!!!!!!! Stuart

Got a couple of nice belguim grizzle cocks coming up!!!! Give me a ring Stuart 07715 166066

Jim one of those hens bred a yearling to fly Bordeaux on the day, the W/F i think Paul said.

I would like to add quickly that the pigeons listed are wll priced and over sold so maybe you are already getting the message. Stu

Andrew I hope you dont take offence to what im about to write its ment in a constructive way and i hope you get where im coming from. Firstly there is nothing wrong with selling pigeons, esp if you want to makes ends meet or you enjoy the breeding aspect of the sport, or maybe you have very good results or you need to reduce numbers etc. However when i read your adverts theres always a gut wrenching reason for you selling them, closing down stock loft, prisoner stock sell, going back to uni etc when the truth is you just want to sell them. People tend to respect the truth more than the hyped up sells patter. I have spoken to you before via this forum about your prices and how they bounce all over the place, Lets take the cock above De 700 he is now for sell at £50 when only 12 months ago as a 2 year old he was the cornerstone of your breeding loft and his children would cost you £125 each, you have also used the term breeder of winners for this cock on occasions. The truth is Andrew he would never be for sell for £50 if he was breeding winners. I would sell any of my best breeders for £50 and im sure there isnt many that would. You can do your best to dress ordinary pigeons up but people are very well informed now and will see your angle. Someone on this forum Gareth Rankin asked me last week if he could buy some of my pigeons, i sad no because i would only let him have the bads ones and its true, if i sell Raymond Molevelds pigeons, latebreds or for someone who is leaving the sport you can trust that i will send the best, but my own birds, i want to keep the best, its natural. In my opinion you are doing the same, selling what hasnt really worked out (many do it andrew) But what really wound people up is you start of with a high price telling the story that these are the best you have and that these have been the stock that has given your father so much success, then when nobody buys it you knock em down and give em away giving the impression that you have treid to pull a flanker. In the last 12 months you have treid to sell birds on IPRR, Pigeonbasics, Fennemas site and Furipa. Maybe if you put your efforts into the sport and understanding the people in it you will enjoy more confidence from people like me. Im not just having a knock Andrew, i happen to think your father is a fanastic racer im just giving my veiw as i see it. Funny its a veiw shared by a good dutch flyer who nows your family very well, maybe its time to listen. Kindest Regards Stuart

So why are you quoting your fathers results if they arent his birds???

Andrew do these birds belong to you or your father?? Stuart

From £40 upto £300 for pigeon that have flown 550 miles on the day etc, in my opion worth alot more than some of the fashion birds!!! Stuart