Must have been something with the weather yesterday, as I gave mine their second training toss and had a bad one. I took them friday and got them all together within 5 mins of getting home, so I took them back to the same point yesterday, and didnt see a pigeon for 3 hours, then just got ones and twos for the rest of the day. Out of 21 I ended up with 11 home last night and 1 reported 20miles west of my loft. And got another 4 back this morning. The funny thing is their not flown out at all, like you would have expected if they had been trying to get home all day. The not taking old birds with them may be right, as I took two oldns with em and they did split up when released, and looked like they were baffled.