i think most of the times that pigeons that have won nothing that are 5 years old are mostly breeders,,,,why would he keep a pigeon that long if not any good for that price just to be related to a national winner,,,,think about it very carefully as the odd pigeon hat cant race across the back gardens can turn out to be your goldmine breeder,,,,,,,,which has been proven in history too if you read all the older magazines of famous names !!!