Hi Stuart, The families i have are pouw bros janssens,bertie camphuis,and de klak,the majority of these coming from my friend and mentor Derek Pedley who has had the very best of these families for years,only too bad i havent raced these birds myself yet and done them the justice they deserve due to various circumstances.A mate of mine has them and has done well with them so we know they are the goods,just have to prove i can race them too.Apart from a couple of roland janssens,i introduced a new family this season from holland,some guy from bristol bought them over for me.??also a pair of raymond molevelds , and now have too bloody many stock birds ,its an addiction !,you probably remember me know Stuart?.All the best Phil. A couple of birds via Derek.