PATTY BHOY

thanx folks.

how much would a good system cost

What is the best ETS system.

still looking for loft in the Scotland area.

RACING EYE NO1: PUPIL: Jet black and of a slight oval shape now with this pupil its own outer edge seems all broken up! Study it and you can see this is where the two circles come together. COLOUR CIRCLE: A real nice blue we have here both nice and wide with good granulation, this blue circle takes up two thirds of the eye and runs right through to the outer circle mostly towards the back of this eye around three o clock. ADAPTION CIRCLE: This is a full circle although of differing depths of colour and widths, from a pale grey over the top of the sign through to jet black in the racing segment between 9 and 6 o clock, wide, black, sharp serration’s this shows us that this bird is a bit special on the road! IRIS: A pale version of the salmon red we see here very well granulated by way of the blue colour overspill running out to the fifth circle a typical iris of a top notch race bird. THE OUTER CIRCLE: or the fifth circle as its also called! Composite blue coming in from the outside by this I mean a blue outer circle masked with composite dark shading in fact just the same as the adaption circle and once again denoting top racing capabilities . this bird is a class act with everything in the right places within the eyesign! RACING EYE NO2: PUPIL: Jet black again and just as they should be and another one that looks like its oval shaped and very, very similar to the pupil of no1 in fact I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that these two birds are indeed very closely related! COLOUR CIRCLE: This time a big bright gold, this is the racing gold please don’t confuse this with the old gold colour that we see in many very top class breeding pigeons the breeding gold looks dirty compared to the racing gold! This gold however is bold and wide running out all over the place to the outer circle and iris making for a good solid background. ADAPTION CIRCLE: And once again folks I really like this one and for all the right reasons, see between 9 and 5 o clock once again here we are looking at great racing signs in the racing department with a whole lot of shading coming superimposed on the colour circle right up to and including the top of this circle, this one is telling us I am a great racer (not a good racer) but a Great one! In the right hands of course and yes this one has done the business on the road also. IRIS: this time a medium to dark red shade which points away from sprinting and more towards middle to long distance racing, a good depth of colour with good granulation, and make a note of all those black flecks and spots all over this iris again leading more towards middle to long distance racing. OUTER CIRCLE: here we have an absolute gem of a 5th circle! Real deep and wide and remember (The WIDER The BETTER) coming in a good superimposed gold with big patches of composition randomly spread around the point where the two circles meet, this coupled with the adaption in this eye makes it for me real class the eye of a true racer! BREEDER EYE No1: PUPIL: yet once again jet black in colour and just the right size for this one which is of course the (Fuller-Eye) this means full with all the breeding traits and theres no room left for much else to go on in here! See all of those (cut-ins) all around the outer edge of this pupil just where the colour circle meets it, COLOUR CIRCLE: here we see the colour circle of a total Breeder! Coming in the shade of a composite (Metalic Silver) which we can clearly see is full of all those signs that mean (BREEDER) this circle is both wide and well serrated around the outer edge carrying masses of (Inner-Rings) so much so that the composition make-up is giving this circle the illusion of being three different colours at the same time. ADAPTION CIRCLE: so here we see the adaption circle at its best in the eye of a very dominant stock pigeon! This is what breeding eyes are all about! We have it all in this one, thick inner-rings, thin rings, big deep black canyons, and the colours of black, grey, and silver all blending and knitting together, this sign coupled with the iris makes this eyesign very special. IRIS: this time a dark salmon-red as to be expected in these metallic signs from the blue side of the colour spectrum, this iris is just one mass of those jet black (Mountain-Ranges) and granulation this depth of iris is only to be found in the eyes of very potent stock pigeons and comes about by a natural process (Mother Nature) it cant be imitated by fake pigeons that are just bred for the big shows, an iris of this calibre cant be man-made, its too intense for mere mortals to copy no matter how hard they may try! OUTER CIRCLE: this one is hard to define with this photograph because this bird is very heavily wattled (Advancing years) and as can be seen it carries large eye ceres also but look to 3 0 clock on the very outer edge and you can see the outer circle coming in, believe me this is a real gem of a fifth circle you can make out how far the composite shading comes in and those patches of silver between it, you have just been looking at a jewel in the crown breeding eye but as usual I ve saved you the very best till last! So come on and lets get a load of this one! BREEDER EYE NO2: PUPIL: ? what pupil? Where the hell as it gone? NO really what a totally mind blowing eyesign is this one! Its chock a block with (Clusters) and (Cut-Ins) as I call them and look at that invasion of those silver worm like creatures going on in there! This is (Clustering) at its very best! Pupil Awesome! COLOUR CIRCLE: This is once again a very wide metallic silver colour circle which takes up at least two thirds of the eyesign and although the base colour is silver can you see all of that (PINK) coloration blended within both the silver and the black? Yes good! This is the (MAUVE PATCH) and I ve never seen so much of this (super-breeder sign) in any one eyesign before, this pigeon is very special indeed. ADAPTION CIRCLE: ? have you ever before seen one that’s started amongst the pupil then ran through all five circles of eyesign? No! well you have now! This adaption circle is totally amazing in as much as makes this one a very (FULL EYE) the eyesign of a supreme stock pigeon (very rare) I have never seen another like this one! IRIS: SUPERB! There is no other word for it! Just like the first breeder eye shown here its of that dark salmon-red colour but just look at those masses of (Mountain-Ranges) total perfection in the eye of a class act stock bird, this one is out there in a league of its own, premiership division for sure. OUTER CIRCLE: Wow! Just look at this one, the width is unbelievable, being a composite silver and coming into this already full iris, what width of circle coming over the top of the iris, to be honest this eyesign blew me away and its one ill not forget in a hurry and don’t you forget either this is a once in a lifetime pigeon and should any of you ever be lucky enough to come by such a pigeon don’t bother with MR Basket, just put it very quickly into your stock loft and believe me youll be more than pleased that you did, right readers its time I was finishing this feature so on closing ill just say a very big thankyou to the Jutla Brothers of London for allowing us to share some of Penge Lofts “Crown Jewelsâ€. Ill be back!

In my opinion, many people do not have their pigeons ready to be road trained for many different reasons but I believe the greatest reason the pigeons are not ready is because the pigeons are not as healthy as they should be! I am sure I will have many tell me that they have all sorts of programs to make sure their pigeons are in 100% health but in my opinion, many of these programs may be doing just the opposite of what is intended. We do not feed antibiotics to our children on a preventative basis so they do not become sick but instead we wait until there is a problem and then the antibiotic is administered. The reason for this is to allow the immune system to develop the antibodies required to keep us in a healthy state of being and anything we do that can alter this state of being will generally have what we know as "Side-effects". When we turn our pigeons loose so they can loft fly both to learn their surroundings and also to develop muscles also needs to be done at the proper time of the day. If the conditions are not proper such as too high of temperature or too little sunlight, etc., then the pigeons generally will not exercise freely so then we get excited and begin to push them to make them exercise. Imagine trying to teach an exhausted or sick person how to swim. If you put them in deep enough water, and their ability to do what is required is lacking, then they will go under and eventually be lost. It is our responsibility to begin easily and allow our pigeons the opportunity to develop BUT at some point we must also realize that some will never have any special talents or ability and our entire flock is better without their presence. All lofts have a certain number of pigeons which is appropriate for the loft and until we get down to the proper number, the loft will always be fighting and unable to reach best form and condition.

cheers superstar

is there a web page or phone number for flying couriers??

how do the prices look for delivery

LOOKS LIKE A JOB WELL DONE ;)

FEATHER CONDITION,EYE SPARKLE AND PLENTY DANCING OF THE COCKS.

as long as they are fit and healthy ,you can only try what you think is best.GOOD LUCK.

what system are you using.

would not waste my time with that loft on ebay

http://www.expertvillage.com/video/18523_homing-pigeons-good-pigeons.htm

Does anyone know someone giving up or changing lofts who have a loft for sale at a reasonable price for a new starter. :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

well done

God Bless R.I.P.

champion GOOD NEWS

what will he be doing with 2009 youngsters

The McAlpines The McAlpines were one of the most feared strains in the history of pigeon racing in Britain. John McAlpine started in the sport in the early 1890’s and his base derived from the Stanhopes of Barrett, Baker, Whitmore and Toft. In the 1912 Scottish National from Rennes a distance of 545 miles the McAlpines took 7th place. In the disastrous race of 1913, with only 14 birds timed on the day, Johns birds were 3rd and 6th National. In the 1914 race, the McAlpine loft clocked 3 birds in the first 30 out of only 6 birds sent. In that smash of 1914 it was a black chequer hen that took 3rd place. The same hen took 19th place again and her ring number was 6638 and she was inbred to J. L. Bakers, 'Little Wonder', a pigeon that was destined to play a crucial part in the forming of the McAlpine strain. Then, the to be well known Dr. Anderson bought John McAlpine’s complete team of birds with McAlpine as his loft manager who looked after birds during Andersons war time service. There were races during the war from inland race points but after the war the S.N.F.C. returned to the European mainland and once again held the national from Rennes where in a race when only 2 birds were timed on the day, Andersons birds were1st, 5th, 11th, 16th, 19th and 23rd. Anderson was to make many trips to Belgium and on these trips John McAlpines son, Willie, accompanied him where they often visited the famous Dr. Bricoux of Jolimont and across the border in France visited another champion, the great Paul Sion . Many of the best racers and breeders from these masters found their way back to Scotland to enhance the quality of Andersons lofts. Using the best of the imported pigeons as crosses into the lofts the Anderson family was formed. Alas after innumerable successes and because of bad health Dr. Anderson retired in 1948 but before he left he gave the McAlpines the pick of his loft. They carefully selected from the old Stanhope family and only the best of the Sion, Bricoux and Le Fijnen bloodlines. Out of these bloodlines came great Surp 50 13315, the Barcelona Blue who flew 7 times over 500 miles then as an 8 year old sent to Barcelona 1036 miles, breaking the British 1000 mile record in 1958.Even a grandson of this great pigeon flew Barcelona confirming that blood will tell. And when we think of other outstanding marathon flights into Scotland by others for example Jim Moffat and D Forsyth the the records show the influence of the blood from the Armadale lofts.In fact all of the Forsyth pigeons came from the McAlpines. There were many other great pigeons and great triumphs over the decades under the expert know how of both John and Willie McAlpine and the strains achievements was honoured in 1992 when Willie McAlpine became Scotlands Fancier of the Year. Many Scottish national winners contain their bloodlines. Sadly on the 7th December 1994 at the age of 86 Willie McAlpine passed away but the legend continues for the birds of the unique partnership of father and son McAlpine are still talked about wherever fanciers congregate and there are those who claim a continuity of bloodlines. If so, then they possess a goldmine in pigeon stock terms.

Well done Kieran.

Does anyone know anything about this mans pigeons as i have heard he is giving up the sport.

hope so have the birds as well ;D ;D ;D

any idea of size or fittings.