welllas i just been reading on cattreais as i had them or rather was giveing then gave away if you go back to fortys to the great oscar cattrysse then to his son inlawmaurits beuseelinck and come further to slabink who inturn was winning over and over back in 70.s alf baker the wood green ace discribes their birds as par excilonce the dinasty then continues to day with flyers who have these birds and find them to be lions of the sky then we have the varny cattriwes again top birds still flying for thousands of fanciers again they live on