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No disrespect but on lofts & fittings I asked about Stall traps, 181 views not one reply. Pm me if anybody out there has a view? on stall traps.

Many thanks for the Choc Ck Adam, looking at this morning he looks even better. Dave

after nobody said a word for or against thats not a problem. Anybody knows just where I could buy a galvanized stall trap?

Mick these Indians do not fly well at all, maybe sitting in a fancy pen but not flying out, fletton bricks fly better. Will look for a phone number for you over the weekend.

Hi Ian, your not far from me, yes I have some stock bred down from most of the noted birds of JvdB strain. My season starts as of today as just recieved 3 old birds from louella, plus my old 01 hen makes 2 pair of stock birds. As they say Rome was not built in a day, many thanks for responding to my question.

Hi Franny how you doing,never expected to see you on here you must be realy into the racers? Hi Ian from Suffolk, how you flying with the JvdB/Mul birds, just getting into them after keeping fancy birds. I have some very old JvdB 01 that I bought in from a chap called Mel Green in 01, he was tickled pink that they still filled eggs, in truth most of em look the bees knees still. Have 3 stock adults on order so my aim is this year to breed a few and fly young birds from them in 2012. Just joined the Ipswich PRC and the RPRA so with luck I might have something to fly shortly.

I have never flown a feather in anger, recently after 52 years of keeping Fancy pigeons I have at last decided to keep Racing pigeons.

Hi All, anybody flying pure JvdB in east anglia?

Have you ever thought of having a younger partner.

Flyingcourers09 you are 100 % right in the link up working, less miles on the road means less derv so you do get a life as well. All it takes is forming a co-op of drivers offer a co-op membership to all pigeon fanciers @£30 a head, what this does is pay the derv for every day of meeting guys who have there own patch. This is like how Amtrak started each depot having its own post coded area and never straying into anothers area of operation, it makes sense a southern guy meeting up with a guy from the north in Birmingham. If you act alone you will be chasing your tail forever as partners it makes sense too co-op together you all make something the biggest bonus is this 16hrs on the road is a killer, it might not happen today next week but it will at somepoint. If the vans are vented more types of livestock could be carried, 2 years ago the writing was on the wall for Amtak so I got out of selling white Garden Fantails just in time. Collect or birds dropped off at night drive too link location swap deliverys drop them PM, yes some will have more customers but its swings and roundabouts as they will also have more work both ways? If i could drive 250 miles a day i would do it as i have the ex-police dog van that is perfect for the job, my right foot swells up on long trips otherwise I would press this home. Trust in your mates form a co-op and make some more mates, co-op sounds just like the birds or work yourself into a grave covering the UK that has no long lasting gain for anybody.

Hi All, the reds shown are in Fancy terms Sheid markings and not saddle marked, creating saddle or Sheild markings is easy as you have pied markings already in racers. If you get a white paired into a pied you will start breeding Saddle marks with ease, it is the introduction of the camoflarging White that gives these markings its down to breeding enough of them.

Elvi is that you ? (puke) :-/

Tammy_1 your right about how do you know if they are worth a first place card, in Europe they are each given a grade out of a 100 but in real scores 95,97 being very good etc. This type of judging should take place here but it takes a lot of time, if there were more judging the breeds instead of the usally suspects going through the motions of somehow trying to know all the breeds it could be better. The real pain is the slow pace of change it helps those who wish things stay the same as when Queen Vic was on the thrown, collecting a card from say best bird in this class is like racing a pigeon with no oppersition point less. But having said that if one bird entered in a race from one club member it is then only tested against all the fed birds, my own thoughts on Best of Breed in strong classes with 400 birds in one breed with 50+ others all trying for that winning spot is the best. Breeding good stock in fancy pigeons might seem easy but perfection in some breeds are extremly hard, hey its fun plus a lot of us fancy boys fly out our feeders mine just happen to be Jannsen Van Den Bosche welsh wonders from Mel Greens loft.

A few years ago there was an article in BHW about a guy who had no money to buy any stock so he caught a few strays and won with some of them, his eye must of been in checking out these birds. As I keep fancy pigeons we have to pick winners by eye but it is in the hand which gives a real test, one of the main problems are feather faults like poor cover in the secondary flights and poor balance. Paying a lot of money for any bird is not always the best thing some of the best come from buddys that will not do you down, the late Bill Hughes of Wigan never sold a pigeon in his life a gaint in the Exhibition Roller world. He never was upset if he lost and always wished the winner well, a true gent his word was true as was his life he is missed but not forgotten.

Chris Little many thanks a copy would be great as you see there are others that would like a copy. My mobile number is 07906048407 would love to talk.

£30 or £40 the cost is the fuel thats what kills the job, having worked for Amtrak in the past I looked at how you could make money from doing just pigeons. The figures do not add up well even having a staged live link at central points, if driving is your thing go for it but if you fly birds out its not for you. The guys that do it I hope they are making a good living from it, cooperation is the key why not help each other by just linking together as a co-op pick your birds up drive to the next link pick up from them deliver when your out picking up again in your area? Amtrak first and most success was Am and trak all, it only went down the tubes when it tried competing with the drosse and used more fuel in doing so. Livestock should have the very best in transit but how many of those vans have correct ventalation, anybody who has more than 20 birds on board should have 2 types of vents fitted rotating and 2 way electric vents. Anybody interested in a Escort 1.8 Turbo Dl Ex-Police dog van it is an x reg plate 2000, elec mirrors, alarm and imob, secure locker, but the best thing is the Cherry number plate M1 9 Coo. 3 Side vents, Rotating vent plus 2 way electric vents, plus its fully lined in fibre glass so it is an easy clean with a jet cleaner. 8)

Many thanks Sammy.

Cheers Sammy, does Nigel come on this forum?

Does anybody know of any ? The last time I knew of anything was a Video, any one have one? A nasty copy anything?

Hi Guys, Looking for a book or Dvd on the bull system anybody have for sale or point me in the direction off a copy?

Single rearing, never liked the idea myself who knows what your tossing away. A half empty nest pan gives a young cock the idea to drive the hen far too soon, if she lays and you let her sit it does mess with the youngster already in the nest pan, moves the youngster aside and that cause young bones in unatauraly positions, twisted keels chips in the keel if the youngster sits on the edge of the nest pan, two eggs are better than one the birds are able to rear both very well, ask yourself a question if the parents lack the breeding skills if they fail at raising both well. Breeding champion stock is a skill and it starts and ends in the breeding alone, racing pigeons or fancy pigeons in the nest treat them all as Champions in the making. Breeding a Champion is your choice not just luck, focus on what makes the champion a champion, tossing eggs out of a nest is like shotting your own foot off. Dave :'(

Buying and selling pigeons is an art form, please do not get put off by how much or how little you pay for a bird. A few years ago I imported American Flights from New York, the cost of the birds came to about £3,000 with shipping and vet fees, my money was recouped by selling some young stock the following year, looking at it they cost me nothing. If you look to buy the best you pocket afords than that is the way forward, take it from me its like banking money, save in an account then get the interest same thing, its putting your head to work that some find hard to work out. Them Racing brothers that sell 1,000 of birds each year know that if they buy a stud at a cost of say £50,000 everybody wishes to buy a youngster simple economics means if the totol birds they sell outway the investment their happy. As for liecences the council have that in the pipeline already in the form of a new stealth tax >

50 miles is costly on fuel so your dove release idea sould get you more than enough localy if you do it right. White doves with straight tails have been around a long time, if they have good strong bodys try them as the homing instinct is still strong even some fancy pigeons fly well, a Long Faced Tumbler in 1962 did 15 miles after I gave it away. As for homers if they would all return home from 50 miles away nobody would lose them, sadly taking them 5 miles away is not always going to get your bird home.

Some Spanish Thief Breeds mature very young, young Cocks will fill eggs at a young age but keep your young hens away from breeding at a young age