Adam Gray

Does your pigeon loft have draughts? Ventilation is different from draughts ! These pigeons have probably been in a draught and maybe a bit stressed hence it clearer up when you removed them to calm draught free environment. Try not to get too heavily into medications and vets are very expensive - but old hand is a good brand and reasonably priced (nothing wrong with keeping some of these products just in case). A dry well ventilated loft, not overcrowded (a skill in itself), routine, good food, minerals, sprougted seeds, plenty of excercise and this will give the pigeon an imune system that will be strong just in case it picks something up.

sort out your ventilation very important - DO NOT OVERCROWD.

Best to keep them seperate, they have a different content and you will notice that the pigeons will show a preference based on their requirements. Mine have always shown a preference for the red minerals when rearing ! Experiment and see how your pigeons react !

This is a scan from Racing Pigeon magazine - which I cropped and tried to send direct from my scans - no luck and also I resized this image using Adobe Photoshop and attached to a word document - this format not accepted.

Thanks for the images - I have tried to attach a picture of what I mean but Image too large !!!!!

Yes will post them tomorrow

Try the pick pots with the red crumb like mineral inside approx. 80p ea. The clay pots come in handy afterwards for putting tit bits in inside your nest boxes and encourage the youngsters to pick up corn early.

Greenhams main customers are the trade ! Go into one of their shops and buy over the counter - insist on a trade discount !

There is a farmer in cheshire (advertises on BHW) who growns his own wheat and maples and rape etc. When I first starting going wheat was £ 2.50 for 25K, Maples £ 5 and Rape £ 6. Went recently and wheat is £ 5.50, Maples £ 8 and Rape £ 6.50 couldn't beleive it. Apparently it is a world wide hike (not just UK) these cereals are now being more heavily used to produce fuels and the like. Looks like keeping pigeons is going to get much more expensive !!

I'm sure that they still use them in belgium or the netherlands, but do not have any contacts in belgium and looked in the blackbird shop in rotterdam when I was in Holland - no luck ! I may have to get a potter to make me some up - could anyone please help with dimensions ?

Does anyone know where I can buy some deep old style nest pans from. Are they still being made?

I keep mainly flyers - turkish mardin tumblers (takla), Iranian highflyers/Tumblers, Sebrinaks (polish silvers), Budapester highflyers, Vienna Highflyers, Danzig Highflyers, Cumulets, Tipplers, Veshvance (white tailed polish), Long faced Polish Tumblers, Murzyn (magpie marked polish breed) & a couple of Spanish croppers that are used to bring back lost youngsters that alight out of sight.

Only when you let them go from the top of a tall building !

Ah ! Want do you want those for steve - Your better off keeping poultry - I know someone with some nice bantams !!!

Thought I would introduce myself after using the sight for two weeks. Born & raised in North London, now living in the North West and shortly off to Wiltshire. Always kept birds even at university - friends were bemused by my goldie mule. Started early climbing into to derelict buildings (risking life and limb) to retrieve gay coloured squeakers then graduated to white pigeons purchased at an auction. Bred and kept all types of cage and aviary, poultry & pheasants and pigeons. I am now just keep my flying breeds of pigeons - various continental Highfliers/Performers - To me a pigeon has to fly ! The higher the better !

If I send a picture can you verify that it is a pakistani Tippler. I understand that people are crossing them into Iranians.

I haven't seen anything as fast as your dewlaps steve, but I'm looking forward to seeing those doneks.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE RATS OR MICE ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR BIRDS. Mice will kill your pigeons not by eating them but with samonella affeting your pigeons in the various forms. I don't know what part of the country you are in ! ask local farmers if they know any ratters in the area. You have to be proactive find the holes get yourself a generator attach a hose pipe to the exhaust pop down a hole and flush them out. Kill them before they kill your birds. Take them out with a garden spade.

Go and buy a depuritive mix - wheat, barley, red/white dari, buy it already mixed various brands sell it. This will take any excess weight of them, every now or again a handful of condition of mixed canary seed will go down well. Fly them regular every day if they will do it and you might start to see some better performances even tumbles. If your that keen on them you have two choices - find someone who has genuine WOE flying tumblers (not many about these days) or cross something in to them like a good quality well marked Iranian Tumbler or Turkish Mardin Tumbler then try and bring that tumbling into the wests - I will take you a good few years and is hit and miss if it will work.

Can a Pakistani tippler have a yellow eye ? The bird is a yellow print.

how high do they fly and do they tumble i think there for i am Yes the Iranian tumblers fly very well and at high altitude - some families/strains flying for 8 -12 hours. When they tumble they do a single or double flip, as they mature and master the action they pull up, clapping their wings then tumble. I have had peregrines diving after an Iranian and it tumble just as the falcon was about to strike the bird tumbled and went the other way and then dived to the loft - the bird did live to tell the tail. I have kept the Iranians now for approx. 7-8 years and originally it was only Iranians that kept them - now they are getting into the hands of other pigeon fanciers who after seeing what they can do take them seriously. In Tehran (capital of Iran) pigeon fanciers were ordered to stop flying their pigeons because of the danger to aircraft. If you have the patience a very worthwhile flying breed.

Thanks to those people who vouched for me ! Stevo your a top banana and as I've told you before if you like anything in my lofts its yours - I know it will be well looked after. ! Anyone shouldn't be buying birds without seeing them and sometimes it means getting of your *expletive removed* and not relying on amtrak/someones word or even a picture - you should handle the bird and give it an MOT if you like. then get you cash out ! I understand people have bad experiences buying birds we have all been there ! just because I'm new on this site doesn't mean I'm new to pigeons ! All of the turkish tumblers for sale have now gone.

Stev0 is right, but you are going to need something that will stand half a chance with peregrines in that part of the country

Look holding the money until you have seen the birds is not a problem. What do you want me to do give my full address incl. postcode > I will not have a problem selling these birds just thought I would give bonafide fanciers first choice. Nevermind ! :K)

Thanks for that now have replied to all PM's.