Mark, i'm a bit confused and upset by your remarks, for the benefit of other site members i am a member of the same club as Mark and don't understand what your problem is regarding the Presidents job, what have you actually done as President ?, you haven't chaired a meeting, haven't been involved with the problems that have arisen with the fed, didn't attend or donate to the breeder buyer sale, any problems that have come up have been sorted by myself and the Sec. and i am just an ordinary member, who by the way, attends meetings, sets clocks, loads the wagon, cleans the crates, goes to Fed meetings, and sweeps up !!!!!! i'm not having a go at you Mark but other site members will think you are a overworked and abused president and this is far from the truth, The President job is a serious one where you should lead by example, and if you didn't want the the job you shouldn't have put up for it........... p.s well done on Wednsday