i used it mixed together all threw last winter,,i put full garlic buld cut in to bits into 1 bottle of cider vin,,sent there droppings of 2 weeks before the first race...couldnt believe it...100% spot on,,this is the first time in 12 years the dropping test as come back 100%,,i never carried it on threw the racing season thou,,i might try that next year,,there was a steady flow of down feathers and there skin was a loverly rosey pink colour....atb lads,,,mark..