deep distrust developing in birds sales

[DOVEScot]

   sorry guys weres this all leading to beg to differ n call it a day??

 

Just stating my views like anyone else on the site. Willing to debate them that's all. I thought that is what a forum is all about :-/

[Guest karl adams]

i would not guarentee  any  bird if it cost £10 or £1000  it dont matter if its a street bird or from the best in the world   i see the sport as two competiters                          

                      1 the bird   2 the owner

so if you are a top flyer and have good birds and sell 2 out of your best and they do no good y is it that them birds get knocked and not the owner

[EAGLEOWL]

the bird tells you nothing ,only the man racing or owning the bird can tell you this,people selling birds can only tell you there good birds has no one sells crap.people have the right to ask questions when parting with their monies for anything be it a £1.00 or a thousand .

 

i have asked someone on here about a couple of things which i knew to be wrong when he placed replys to questions .i have no problem with this man selling pigeons be it for a pound or thousands ,or anyone selling pigeons yes i think sometimes where do they get there prices from for a bird ,but if you pay for instance 10.000 for a bird are you going to sell birds for 25.00 from it .i think the price would be higher to help recoup monies paid for bird nothing wrong with that .theres people who dont race but just sell fashion pigeons just for a money making idea you just have to look around the weekly papers of birds for sale ,thousands sold off birds that have never been out never mind seen a basket but people buy what they can afford .

 

if someone sells you a pigeon for 25.00 or a thousand and its rubbish is he bothered ,you will blame the fancier and he will blame you

[Ian Gill]

 

You are part of the status and prestige factor, in the fact you pay and command the high prices. Also as you stated you think that a £30 pigeon cannot be a national winner. Why becuase it never cost enough or someone hasn't the ability to turn it into one?

 

You have a great ability to read anything into a post that you want Dovescot.I stated that you were not buying a National winner for that price,not that a £30 pigeon couldnt win a National.I think if you recall the pigeon that won the Europa Classic last year was a £22.50 bird from the Natural Breeding Station beating all the latest designer pigeons in doing so.

 

I dont think you know me well enough to judge me on who I am or what I buy....

 

 

 

 

 

[Ronnie]

Seems a strange topic this.

If you want to buy a pigeon buy it who cares what other people think.Any item is worth whatever you are willing to pay and sod everone else's view be it a car a bike a tv or a pigeon.

As a buyer you are entitled to be inquisitive and if a seller refuses to answer questions to your liking then dont buy the item.

It's my belief when you buy a pigeon for stock you are buying a gene pool not a guaranteed golden egg layer just another piece to the ultimate picture that you are allways trying to make better.If you cant afford a champion pigeon for stock then you opt to buy a generation away or you wait until something else you want come's along.At the end of the day its all about choice and if you are not happy with anything in the sale then choose not to buy and leave it at that.

No need for bickering and name calling there is also no need to air dirty washing in public this forum has a pm service like most forums .Most sellers put there phone number on sales as well so get in touch privately if you are genuinely interested in the bird.If after talking to the seller you choose not to buy then good luck in your search.No need to get all shirty and start a public slanging match.

If you get ripped of by a seller like poor Dovescot did then let the forum know all the details so they can beware.

Remember you the buyer allways have the choice if for any reason your not happy then dont buy.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Seems a strange topic this.

If you want to buy a pigeon buy it who cares what other people think.Any item is worth whatever you are willing to pay and sod everone else's view be it a car a bike a tv or a pigeon.

As a buyer you are entitled to be inquisitive and if a seller refuses to answer questions to your liking then dont buy the item.

It's my belief when you buy a pigeon for stock you are buying a gene pool not a guaranteed golden egg layer just another piece to the ultimate picture that you are allways trying to make better.If you cant afford a champion pigeon for stock then you opt to buy a generation away or you wait until something else you want come's along.At the end of the day its all about choice and if you are not happy with anything in the sale then choose not to buy and leave it at that.

No need for bickering and name calling there is also no need to air dirty washing in public this forum has a pm service like most forums .Most sellers put there phone number on sales as well so get in touch privately if you are genuinely interested in the bird.If after talking to the seller you choose not to buy then good luck in your search.No need to get all shirty and start a public slanging match.

If you get ripped of by a seller like poor Dovescot did then let the forum know all the details so they can beware.

Remember you the buyer allways have the choice if for any reason your not happy then dont buy.

 

spot on

[homebird]

 

spot on

 

spot on

[DOVEScot]

 

You have a great ability to read anything into a post that you want Dovescot.I stated that you were not buying a National winner for that price,not that a £30 pigeon couldnt win a National.I think if you recall the pigeon that won the Europa Classic last year was a £22.50 bird from the Natural Breeding Station beating all the latest designer pigeons in doing so.

 

I dont think you know me well enough to judge me on who I am or what I buy....

 

 

 

You are right I do not know you, but on the forum I have a right the same as anyone to question posts. That is where judgement comes from on any forum. Good, bad or indifferent.

If I speak generally at times I am not tarring all with the same brush and if I want to "tar" someone then I will mention their name Ian

The origonal post "Deep distrust developing on bird sales" I think scares some people on the sites, because if the sites decide to ban the sales then it could hurt a lot of pockets. On the other hand it would stop people getting ripped off on the sites and save some of us that experience.

You Ian also have the great ability to pick out what you want and highlight it,

Good things about forums is it is put on posts for every one to see and make there own judgements, human nature will decide what side of the fence their judgement falls on, or they will sit on the fence

 

But statements like this I wish to comment on

 

Ive been reading the threads on this forum since Richard started it and I cant believe some of the stuff posted on here regarding the selling of pigeons ..just because there was one bad apple doesnt mean that everyone selling pigeons should be tarred with the same brush and by the way you pays your money and takes your chance..as far as I can see that lad didnt hold a gun to anyones head to get money from them.Yet he still gets mentioned in every thread regarding the selling of pigeons.

 

I didnt post that to get into a slanging match with you but when your "FACTS" include people having to go through a spanish inquisiton when selling pigeons for 25 or 30 quid ,well its not right ..what do you think your buying at that price ?? A National winner??

 

Just what are these facts you mention ??

 

Dovescot,

 

Having concerns is one thing and you are to be commended for thinking of the other members of this site but concerns arnt proof or fact ..simple as !!

 

Sorry if you do not like my answers but they are mine, no witch hunt intended, no hidden agenda, no offence intended, just my point of view, open to the forum's judgement :-/

 

 

 

[Guest j.bamling]

the bird tells you nothing ,only the man racing or owning the bird can tell you this,people selling birds can only tell you there good birds has no one sells crap.people have the right to ask questions when parting with their monies for anything be it a £1.00 or a thousand .

 

i have asked someone on here about a couple of things which i knew to be wrong when he placed replys to questions .i have no problem with this man selling pigeons be it for a pound or thousands ,or anyone selling pigeons yes i think sometimes where do they get there prices from for a bird ,but if you pay for instance 10.000 for a bird are you going to sell birds for 25.00 from it .i think the price would be higher to help recoup monies paid for bird nothing wrong with that .theres people who dont race but just sell fashion pigeons just for a money making idea you just have to look around the weekly papers of birds for sale ,thousands sold off birds that have never been out never mind seen a basket but people buy what they can afford .

 

if someone sells you a pigeon for 25.00 or a thousand and its rubbish is he bothered ,you will blame the fancier and he will blame you

 

GOOD POST !!!

[Ian Gill]

Tell you what Dovescot ..how many pigeons did you get took on with ?? 8 wasnt it ?? Well I will send you 8 ybs to race next year to replace the ones you didnt get and they will be from my best ..thats if you want them.

 

The reason I am doing that is that it might help to stop all this negativity that has developed on this site lately and one thing I know is that this forum doesnt deserve this type of crap going on all the time and most importantly Richard doesnt ..

 

[Guest j.bamling]

Spot on !!! and good on ya for the gesture

[Guest karl adams]

i was thinking of buying some birds off here  but its probbley better if i dont

[DOVEScot]

Tell you what Dovescot ..how many pigeons did you get took on with ?? 8 wasnt it ?? Well I will send you 8 ybs to race next year to replace the ones you didnt get and they will be from my best ..thats if you want them.

 

The reason I am doing that is that it might help to stop all this negativity that has developed on this site lately and one thing I know is that this forum doesnt deserve this type of crap going on all the time and most importantly Richard doesnt ..

 

Thank you very much, yes I will take eight of your best and I will auction them on the site and donate the money to someone in need. Please do not retract this offer as someone will benefit from it

 

Despite the fact that I find your post very patronising I will be positive and make the most from it

 

Can you post your contact details so I can follow this offer up please

 

[Guest karl adams]

i think it would be better if i keep my eye on the site and get to no people for some time  befor   i start to buy anything  

[EAGLEOWL]

 

 

karl i would not let this put you off there is many genuine people on this site selling birds that they beleive to be good birds.

 

if you dont feel comfortable about dealing with someone then dont.

i must say though i think there is some reasonable priced quality birds on here and if you feel unsure ask the seller if they are prepared to have a third party in the deal taking money etc, anyone hoest will accept this

 

i would say 99.9 % of sellers on here are genuine fanciers , i have only seen one scumbag rip of dovescote.but lets be honest here ,all people selling pigeons on here are near enough regular fanciers,just selling pigeons on for what ever reason ive seen some cracking looking birds on here that look real bargains for the price been offered sure you dont know what it will breed but you never know it could be the best bird you ever buy .

 

has for a third party been involved in buying off here ,i would have no problem if buying dealing with the man in question direct ,using a third man tells me you might be questioning there honesty,if i got stung yes i would let the forum know by who and how much just to make other people aware .

 

 

 

[DOVEScot]

i think it would be better if i keep my eye on the site and get to no people for some time  befor   i start to buy anything  

 

Great idea, but there are loads of great people on the site willing to help, Tammy, Alf, Ganster, Dark Helmet, North wales novice, Valient just to mention a few, and believe it or not Me and Chickadee all willing to help

[EAGLEOWL]

i think it would be better if i keep my eye on the site and get to no people for some time  befor   i start to buy anything  

 

karl i would say buy in confidence from anyone selling birds on here ,you can ask questions to the seller ,i know there seems to be alot of negativity around but 99.9 % are genuine fanciers on here .im sure if you ask questioons and the seller didnt seem genuine im sure someone on here would warn you .

 

 

 

[DOVEScot]

 

karl i would say buy in confidence from anyone selling birds on here ,you can ask questions to the seller ,i know there seems to be alot of negativity around but 99.9 % are genuine fanciers on here .im sure if you ask questioons and the seller didnt seem genuine im sure someone on here would warn you .

 

 

 

Correct

[Guest karl adams]

ive not been on this site long and i now there are some good people on here but i now there are some bad ones to  there are some that just like to put others down and like to take the mic but when you have new members come on here the last thing they want it to feel they are a joke like i felt when i put a dog for sale

[DOVEScot]

ive not been on this site long and i now there are some good people on here but i now there are some bad ones to  there are some that just like to put others down and like to take the mic but when you have new members come on here the last thing they want it to feel they are a joke like i felt when i put a dog for sale

 

Karl I have had staffies for 15 years and there is a lot out there, sold for all different reasons. Same as pigeons I am afraid

[DOVEScot]

Dovescot if ian agrees to your offer on the young birds then wel done to you both, a fantastic gesture

 

I hope so, Do not see why he shouldn't, I will hold him to it, he promised the birds and I have decided what I will do with them. Never looked for sympathy on the site but willing to make the most out of a negative situation.

 

 

 

[EAGLEOWL]

 

Karl I have had staffies for 15 years and there is a lot out there, sold for all different reasons. Same as pigeons I am afraid

 

 

people will sell anything if theres a pound in it for them ,the trouble with people selling animals they normally go from one thing to another for bigger monies with no regard for the animals welfare .problem with pigeons they breed none stop so a good income and birds always available for any price

 

[Guest karl adams]

dovescot i may have been wrong in the way i thought when i read the threds when the dog was for sale but i never said the dog was a top stud dog  and thats one of the things i thought was takein the mic

[DOVEScot]

dovescot i may have been wrong in the way i thought when i read the threds when the dog was for sale but i never said the dog was a top stud dog  and thats one of the things i thought was takein the mic

 

I think the good and the top just got mixed up, I for one new what you meant, did not help when you posted two different dogs ;D

[Guest karl adams]

i agree i posted the wrong pic but i did say sorry and ive bread that many that look alike